WAG Discussion of abuse in USAG - Nassar

[tucktwisttumble]

Okay so I just read the article , but what I don't understand is why the parent didn't take the child in for X-rays ? Keep in mind that my parents take the kids in to the Dr for everything , bruise , bump, broken fingernail . Anyways you get the jist. So that particular part of the complaint against him does not add up with my own experience with parents and kids. , not defending but that particular complaint is an error on all fronts.
If I told one of my parents not to get an X-ray they would get two.

My thought - the girls were scared to tell their parents, because their parents would tell Geddert - and Geddert would lash out on them. These girls were scared to say ANYTHING.

 

[TumbleTimes4]

My thought - the girls were scared to tell their parents, because their parents would tell Geddert - and Geddert would lash out on them. These girls were scared to say ANYTHING.

I in no way blame the girls. I am just in disbelief that according to the article, parents actually witnessed some of the abuse, like being thrown into the bars, and yet the parents still didn’t challenge him.

 

[raenndrops]

Okay so I just read the article , but what I don't understand is why the parent didn't take the child in for X-rays ? Keep in mind that my parents take the kids in to the Dr for everything , bruise , bump, broken fingernail . Anyways you get the jist. So that particular part of the complaint against him does not add up with my own experience with parents and kids. , not defending but that particular complaint is an error on all fronts.
If I told one of my parents not to get an X-ray they would get two.

I think part of it may have been that Nassar had cleared her to return to practice and he was the team doctor.

 

[l.c.o]

Just wanted to say - In my own personal experience... coaches can be quite convincing that the kids are just fine and that gymnasts are faking their injury or exaggerating it. Plus, despite in-house medical professionals, there isn’t always actual transparency.

It took a phone call from an athletic trainer once behind the gym’s back for us to realize we needed to have my kid seen by a physician. I was sadly that parent. But from them on, I trusted my kids more.

Anyway. While I obviously have no idea how accurate the claims are or the actual situation, it’s plausible to me.

 

[tucktwisttumble]

I in no way blame the girls. I am just in disbelief that according to the article, parents actually witnessed some of the abuse, like being thrown into the bars, and yet the parents still didn’t challenge him.

Please know that I am in NO WAY blaming the girls.
But just to respond to @coachp 's question.

For example when I was a cheerleader I wouldn't tell my parents every ache and pain I had for this exact reason. I was scared they would inform my coach, and coach would change my routine or position because of an injury to keep my mom happy. I would rather tough out the injury (sometimes serious) if I could so I didn't feel the pressure of letting my team down for not doing my 'job'.
Its the mentality that is conditioned into the athletes.

 

[Deleted member 14190]

I think it important to note that while dealing with this whole horrific incident we don't become hyper sensitive and start claiming everything is mental or verbal abuse.

 

[ginnymac]

OK, that Geddert article was one of the saddest things I have read! I still don't understand why all of the investigations that concluded in 2014 did not result in harsher punishment. Disgusting.

 

[TumbleTimes4]

@tucktwisttumble I in no way thought your post was blaming the girls. Sorry if that was not clear, not at all my intention

 

[amiandjim]

I think it important to note that while dealing with this whole horrific incident we don't become hyper sensitive and start claiming everything is mental or verbal abuse.

While I agree with you, you cannot deny the incidences in this article qualify as both??

 

[Deleted member 14190]

While I agree with you, you cannot deny the incidences in this article qualify as both??

I am by no way means defending , just making a blanket statement in general

 

[Deleted member 14190]

Please know that I am in NO WAY blaming the girls.
But just to respond to @coachp 's question.

For example when I was a cheerleader I wouldn't tell my parents every ache and pain I had for this exact reason. I was scared they would inform my coach, and coach would change my routine or position because of an injury to keep my mom happy. I would rather tough out the injury (sometimes serious) if I could so I didn't feel the pressure of letting my team down for not doing my 'job'.
Its the mentality that is conditioned into the athletes.

Around here the Dr visit is never ending so i am
Just perplexed as to how nor why a parent would not at least seek an X-ray in some of these incidents. . That is all

 

[amiandjim]

That’s interesting Coach P. We avoid Dr. visits at all cost...so much that my 8 year-old practiced for a few days on a broken foot..whoops!

 

[Deleted member 14190]

That’s interesting Coach P. We avoid Dr. visits at all cost...so much that my 8 year-old practiced for a few days on a broken foot..whoops!

Please come to my gym. .

 

[my4buffaloes]

That’s interesting Coach P. We avoid Dr. visits at all cost...so much that my 8 year-old practiced for a few days on a broken foot..whoops!

This is something that I just don't understand. What is there to avoid about making sure that your child is all right? Doctors are there to help ( except in the case of Nassar ). We have families in our gym like this and it makes me so sad to see the girls struggling and in pain and the parents refusing to take them to the doctor.

 

[MILgymFAM]

This is something that I just don't understand. What is there to avoid about making sure that your child is all right? Doctors are there to help ( except in the case of Nassar ). We have families in our gym like this and it makes me so sad to see the girls struggling and in pain and the parents refusing to take them to the doctor.

We’ve seen it and it’s usually about money. We’ve also done it and it was about insurance- waiting for an appointment on our pediatrician because we weren’t allowed to skip to a specialist, or visit urgent care, and if an emergency visit was determined to be used in waste, you’d get the bill. My daughter had broken fingers for four days once, and a broken foot for three days another time, before the doctor got her in and took X-rays- that I had to fight for.

 

[TumbleTimes4]

This is something that I just don't understand. What is there to avoid about making sure that your child is all right? Doctors are there to help ( except in the case of Nassar ). We have families in our gym like this and it makes me so sad to see the girls struggling and in pain and the parents refusing to take them to the doctor.

Well for one thing it’s not cheap, even with health insurance. When I was young, I had a hairline fracture on the bone in my arm. So technically it’s broken, but if a bone is not coming out through the skin, it’s hard to know for sure what’s wrong. We thought it might be a bad sprain from tumbling and just iced it and wrapped it for several days. When the pain didn’t get better, then we went for an X-ray.

Also some kids are known to cry wolf or overdramatize injuries, my child being one of them. A minor scrape or bump will send her into hysterics and just to listen you would think she had lost a limb. She has gotten better, but it’s hard to believe a child is really serious about being injured when a tiny cut that doesn’t even bleed is enough to start the wailing.

 

[M2Abi]

I think there are parents who take their kids to the doctor for every sniffle and then there are those that injuries or illness have to be life-threatening before they take them in. And money is a huge factor, especially since most insurance plans now have large deductibles. I tend to always wait a few days when my dd is in pain to see if it improves on its own.

 

[GymMom4]

I made myself read it. It was a hard read.

I agree. Very hard to read about their experiences.

 

[raenndrops]

We’ve seen it and it’s usually about money. We’ve also done it and it was about insurance- waiting for an appointment on our pediatrician because we weren’t allowed to skip to a specialist, or visit urgent care, and if an emergency visit was determined to be used in waste, you’d get the bill. My daughter had broken fingers for four days once, and a broken foot for three days another time, before the doctor got her in and took X-rays- that I had to fight for.

That was what I was going to say is the MAIN reason.
1. Money / insurance / jumping thru hoops (YG and her hip - luckily nothing major)
2. Gymnast doesn't want to miss a meet, so is willing to wait (SM told YG that she WOULD take her, but ANY DOCTOR would make her take THREE WEEKS off gym and she didnt want to miss her Championship meet... not necessarily true, but SM knew YG would agree to wait to go until she had the money)
3. Parent has already paid for the meet and made the travel plans and booked the hotel at the non-refundable rate and the gymnast wants to compete and doesn't want to let anyone down.

 

[Seeker]

Around here the Dr visit is never ending so i am
Just perplexed as to how nor why a parent would not at least seek an X-ray in some of these incidents. . That is all

I have heard and read more than once that Geddert essentially forbid them from seeing other Drs and wouldn’t accept a note or diagnosis from anyone but Nassar. As preposterous as this sounds to most of us now, it seemed to be an environment of fear of john’s wrath that motivated many, both parents and gymnasts. No one wanted to be on the wrong side of his anger.