WAG Is a backwards pass needed?

Momma Bear

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Do you need a backwards tumbling pass for a level 9 and/or 10 floor routine? If so, what’s the deduction for not having one?
 

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College gymnastics has totally different rules to JO. As far as I know level 9/10 do have to have a back tumbling pass but I don't know the deduction for not having one.
 

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There is a flat .1 composition deduction for not having saltos/aerials in 2 different directions: bwd & fwd/swd.

If you shared the passes, I would be happy to let you know overall composition issues that may be there additionally outside of this flat .1 deduction.
 

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There is a flat .1 composition deduction for not having saltos/aerials in 2 different directions: bwd & fwd/swd.

If you shared the passes, I would be happy to let you know overall composition issues that may be there additionally outside of this flat .1 deduction.
Level 9 passes- front handspring, front layout, front pike
Front full, front pike
And rudi

Level 10 passes I think she’d do a front double (twisting not sure what that’s called). Also not sure which pass that would replace.

Thanks so much for your help!
 

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L9: that routine would not incur a composition deduction for acro up to the level because she was a B+B, C+B, C (rudi is a D, but is credited at L9 as a C).

L10: if the E front double twist takes the place of the B+B pass, she would have E, C+B, D. Which would incur no up to the level acro deduction. If the double takes the place of any other pass and the B+B is still in the routine she would have a .1 composition deduction. If that B+B was the last pass in the routine she would incur an additional .1 composition deduction for dismount not being up to the competitive level. But, if she ends with either the E or the D there is no dismount composition deduction.

**This is only taking into account acro composition deductions. There are additional composition deductions relating to dance that could be taken depending on the dance elements.
 
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Momma Bear

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L9: that routine would not incur a composition deduction for acro up to the level because she was a B+B, C+B, C (rudi is a D, but is credited at L9 as a C).

L10: if the E front double twist takes the place of the B+B pass, she would have E, C+B, D. Which would incur no up to the level acro deduction. If the double takes the place of any other pass and the B+B is still in the routine she would have a .1 composition deduction. If that B+B was the last pass in the routine she would incur an additional .1 composition deduction for dismount not being up to the competitive level. But, if she ends with either the E or the D there is no dismount composition deduction.

**This is only taking into account acro composition deductions. There are additional composition deductions relating to dance that could be taken depending on the dance elements.
This is so helpful! Thank you for taking the time to reply and explain!
 

Momma Bear

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L9: that routine would not incur a composition deduction for acro up to the level because she was a B+B, C+B, C (rudi is a D, but is credited at L9 as a C).

L10: if the E front double twist takes the place of the B+B pass, she would have E, C+B, D. Which would incur no up to the level acro deduction. If the double takes the place of any other pass and the B+B is still in the routine she would have a .1 composition deduction. If that B+B was the last pass in the routine she would incur an additional .1 composition deduction for dismount not being up to the competitive level. But, if she ends with either the E or the D there is no dismount composition deduction.

**This is only taking into account acro composition deductions. There are additional composition deductions relating to dance that could be taken depending on the dance elements.
Sorry, one clarifying question, would she still incur the .1 deduction for not having a backwards pass?
 

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There is a flat .1 composition deduction for not having saltos/aerials in 2 different directions: bwd & fwd/swd.

If you shared the passes, I would be happy to let you know overall composition issues that may be there additionally outside of this flat .1 deduction.

For level 8 floor would these 2 passes meet requirement? Their both front tumbling passes would she get a deduction?

1) FHS FF
2) FT RO BHS Arabian

Thank you
 

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