This is a question for all those experienced gym parents. I've read many posts about the agony of the kip and the kip as a kind of threshhold skill. But I haven't seen the same kind of posts about the level 5 skills (clear hip, long hang pullover, esp.) Have I just been missing those? I'm really just curious. My daughter didn't have a lot of trouble getting her kip but has had more trouble with other level 4 skills: i.e. the VAULT. But when I see our girls who just finished level 5 do their bars it looks like they have really made a huge leap forward--it seems like these skills are much more challenging than the kip. But then again, what do I know!