Parents Permanently ineligible list

[MILgymFAM]

If a coach is on the permanently ineligible list, and this is listed as their violation, what does it mean?

“SafeSport Code for the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Movement, IV.A.(c) Abuse of Process Bylaw 10.14(b)”

 

[amiandjim]

I’m not 100% sure but googling a couple names that have that listed leads me to believe it is related to molestation or child pornography.

 

[MILgymFAM]

I’m not 100% sure but googling a couple names that have that listed leads me to believe it is related to molestation or child pornography.

Holy crap! I hope not. One of my DDs former coaches is on there with that designation and her friends are still at his gym.

 

[MILgymFAM]

Well.. sadly, I found my answer. It’s a sad state of affairs in gymnastics.

 

[John]

I search "SafeSport Code for the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Movement, IV.A"

and found this:

IV. ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY A. Exclusive authority—sexual misconduct The Office has the exclusive authority to investigate and resolve conduct involving (a) sexual misconduct; and (b) prohibited conduct under the Code that is reasonably related to the underlying allegation of sexual misconduct. Exclusive authority means (a) only the Office will investigate and manage any related arbitration involving sexual misconduct; and (b) neither the NGB nor the USOC will conduct its own investigation or arbitration with respect to possible sexual misconduct, except as otherwise provided.

USAG associated that to their bylaw 10.14(b)

Not much help but is saying sexual misconduct. That is how I interpreted it.

 

[MILgymFAM]

I search "SafeSport Code for the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Movement, IV.A"

and found this:

IV. ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY A. Exclusive authority—sexual misconduct The Office has the exclusive authority to investigate and resolve conduct involving (a) sexual misconduct; and (b) prohibited conduct under the Code that is reasonably related to the underlying allegation of sexual misconduct. Exclusive authority means (a) only the Office will investigate and manage any related arbitration involving sexual misconduct; and (b) neither the NGB nor the USOC will conduct its own investigation or arbitration with respect to possible sexual misconduct, except as otherwise provided.

USAG associated that to their bylaw 10.14(b)

Not much help but is saying sexual misconduct. That is how I interpreted it.

What I posted above was a specific coach’s disciplinary record on safe sport- it’s pretty specific. Unfortunately. I marked out his name because I didn’t want to break a rule.

 

[John]

@MILgymFAM I guess you could check sexual offender directories.

 

[MILgymFAM]

@MILgymFAM I guess you could check sexual offender directories.

No need. The above gave me all the info I needed. That’s a good general idea though.

 

[duyetanh]

Ugh. I can’t believe parents still have their kids there, yet sadly I can. It really doesn’t seem like a lot of people care sometimes.

 

[wandrewsjr]

If you have reason to believe someone on the permanently ineligible list is still in any way involved with a gym, you should report it.

 

[John]

This makes me feel ill.

 

[John]

If you have reason to believe someone on the permanently ineligible list is still in any way involved with a gym, you should report it.

Has anyone ever googled some of these permanently ineligible names? I just did a few and I found that some of the searches return names as contacts at gyms. I guess this could be two people with the same name? Still feeling ill.

 

[MILgymFAM]

If you have reason to believe someone on the permanently ineligible list is still in any way involved with a gym, you should report it.

He has not been coaching since he was suspended, but everyone there was waiting for him to come back- they totally believed him.

 

[wandrewsjr]

Has anyone ever googled some of these permanently ineligible names? I just did a few and I found that some of the searches return names as contacts at gyms. I guess this could be two people with the same name? Still feeling ill.

Also remember things stay on the internet forever. Just because it's there doesn't mean its current.

 

[MILgymFAM]

Also remember things stay on the internet forever. Just because it's there doesn't mean its current.

That’s true. In the case to which I’m referring, the coach is still listed as owner and head coach on the live website. I’m sure they’ll have to change it soon- he was put on the permanently ineligible list just this month.

 

[meganliz77]

@MILgymFAM I guess you could check sexual offender directories.

The sex offender lists that are viewable publicly are not exhaustive by any means and are very limited. The laws vary in each state. For instance, in MN, a public registry only exists for offenders deemed a Risk Level III and for those not in compliance of registration requirements. A person can only potentially be deemed that risk level if they served time in prison (plus many factors go into risk level determination). Many people are required to register as a predatory offender, who never ever make it on a 'public' list. Many are serving probation actively in the community for sex offenses and you would never know the difference. Many, many states are similar to this... And remember, any sex offender registration we are speaking of would also require some type of conviction - as in criminal and in a court of law - I think that for the purposes of the ineligibility lists, that is not necessary.

 

[John]

@meganliz77 good points. The few names from the list I google all had convictions and details could be found from local news outlets. I recall a thread on the chalk bucket that discussed how someone made it to the ineligible list. I am not a lawyer nor do I know anything about law, but it seems it would be hard to support the legality of the ineligible list if the evidence did not exist.

 

[meganliz77]

@meganliz77 good points. The few names from the list I google all had convictions and details could be found from local news outlets. I recall a thread on the chalk bucket that discussed how someone made it to the ineligible list. I am not a lawyer nor do I know anything about law, but it seems it would be hard to support the legality of the ineligible list if the evidence did not exist.

Evidence is not the same as conviction. I would imagine the process is much like the one that exists on college campuses for, say, victims reporting a sexual assault by another student. A conviction does not need to occur for someone to be expelled for that type of conduct, but a certain amount of evidence does.

I just want to highlight that just looking at a sex offender list will actually give you very little information about potential predators in the community. This is important information for ANY community member to have, so it's a point that I often clarify when it is brought up. There is a lot of incorrect information floating around out there!

 

[MILgymFAM]

That’s true. In the case to which I’m referring, the coach is still listed as owner and head coach on the live website. I’m sure they’ll have to change it soon- he was put on the permanently ineligible list just this month.

...and now he’s off the website, as he should be.

 

[sce]

Holy crap! I hope not. One of my DDs former coaches is on there with that designation and her friends are still at his gym.

He's still coaching? Sort of misses the point of permanently ineligible?