WAG Scoring in the new cycle?

[Fliptwisttumble]

@maryRS and @gymmomtoo .... I am curious as to what your L8s will be doing in the category of "more is expected of them".... DD will likely compete L8 at our travel meet to the States..... Are you talking about including the optional C, etc? Any input is very much appreciated!

 

[vagymmomma]

@maryRS and @gymmomtoo .... I am curious as to what your L8s will be doing in the category of "more is expected of them".... DD will likely compete L8 at our travel meet to the States..... Are you talking about including the optional C, etc? Any input is very much appreciated!

I'm also very curious. We have a number of L8s repeating as well. Not all because of scoring changes -- some fear issues -- and one teeny one struggling on vault. Any sense in most years how many repeat anyways? Almost all the 8s (first or second year) are doing full and 1/2 on floor for a C. Most of the second years have double backs on bars (only DD for first years but several are working in pit and I'm sure will compete later in season). Beam is where I think they're being more conservative. Only a couple are doing BTs or any C tumbling from first and second year. Lots of BHS-BHS. Very curious to see how it all plays out. One month to go...

 

[gymmomtoo]

Not positive, but our 2nd year level 8s will be expected to compete double backs off bars, I know. TBH, I am not "up" on what is allowed in level 8 now, but I know they are expected to do the max that is allowed. I haven't watched practice lately, so have no idea if they actually HAVE those skills down!

 

[MaryA]

I suspect that DD will be doing fairly "basic" routines at the beginning of the season (unless she's doing advanced 7 routines ) but I know they are working C skills so maybe by the end of the season? I'm figuring she will do 2 years of 8.

 

[Fliptwisttumble]

Thanks ladies. So my recollection is that you allow one C skill plus unlimited C dance, and some specific extra Cs on bars?

DD won't be doing a double back dismount. She is working a 1.5 twist, perhaps it'll be ready, perhaps not. She currently does three tumble lines..... Front tuck RO BHS Layout 1/2; front HS front layout, and RO BHS layout full. Is that typical?

And she's just started flipping tsuks herself, so hopefully that will be up to snuff by then.

Thanks again!

 

[vagymmomma]

Thanks ladies. So my recollection is that you allow one C skill plus unlimited C dance, and some specific extra Cs on bars?

Yes, to all above.

DD won't be doing a double back dismount. She is working a 1.5 twist, perhaps it'll be ready, perhaps not. She currently does three tumble lines..... Front tuck RO BHS Layout 1/2; front HS front layout, and RO BHS layout full. Is that typical?

Yes, pretty consistent with our girls. All have three passes. Per my prior post, most (not all) girls have a 1 1/2 and full in their passes. Usually a front through to back full (not sure if front through has another name). My DD's struggling some with front tumbling pass of all things.

And she's just started flipping tsuks herself, so hopefully that will be up to snuff by then.

Tsuks are the one thing DDs set with, but it seems like first year girls at a lot of gyms (including ours) are just now flipping so yours is right in line with other first years. Again, lots of 2nd year L8s who have the vaults.

Thanks again!

 

[gracyomalley]

All this talk of level 8 pushing all the high level skills is why dd11 is repeating 7....wonder how many kids/gyms will go that way instead of planning on repeating 8?

I do know that with the boys program changes last year, lots of kids are ending up doing 2-3 years of the technically "same" level, as enough skills and bonuses changed there that even if they were average their first year they didn't progress much scorewise the second....I don't have the perspective to know, but I would bet this happens with each cycle change...and with the bonus system even in the lower compulsory levels boys can have very different routines at the same level so more repeat there than in girls gym (at least in our region...2 years is the norm...maybe its because they generally goof off until about age 13 too???)

It also took almost until the boys state meet to have a sense of what "usual scores" in each event were....we have generally the same judges at all our boys meets in the region (small region) and even with that things varied the first few meets...BEST TO IGNORE THE SCORES AND ENJOY WHATEVER YOUR SON/DAUGHTER LEARNS - ACHIEVES PERSONALLY

 

[maryRS]

Er, well you are all speaking a little greek to me lol...
8s are doing double back on bars, but we don't have any first year 8s, they all stayed back at 7.

Fulls, my daughter is doing a full at practice. Can she do that as a 7? See I don't even know.

She has been flipping tsuks in training, but again I don't think she can use this as a 7, so I'm not sure what her vault will look like as a 2nd year 7. From the talks with the coaches when they decided levels, I get the impression that my daughter is between - she has solid 7 skills but basic 8 skills (and newly acquired). Had it been last year they probably would have moved her up, but they seemed to indicate that would not be in her (and other girls in same boat) best interests. Either way it's fine with me, I am curious to see how it plays out.

@maryRS and @gymmomtoo .... I am curious as to what your L8s will be doing in the category of "more is expected of them".... DD will likely compete L8 at our travel meet to the States..... Are you talking about including the optional C, etc? Any input is very much appreciated!

 

[kandkfunk]

My DD will be a first year level 8. She already did two seasons of 7, so she either goes 8 or I think she'll quit (she's 15 and a sophomore). She has always struggled on bars, so there will not be any double back dismounts there. She is working a full fly away in a laid out position for a B dismount. She will struggle to meet minimum requirements on bars. We do not have a vaulting pit, so it has been a struggle to practice her flipping Tsuk. She is still working it, but will probably throw a FHS-full vault. On beam, she will not have BHS-BHS combo. She will have a BHS-BWO combo. She will take a hit on not up to competition standard. Maybe by mid-season she can work up to the BHS-BHS. She is working a step front LO dismount and hopes to add a half or full twist to that to upgrade the dismount to a C. Her other C dance on beam is a switch leap and a tuck 3/4. On floor, her tumbling passes are FHS-FT-FP, RO-BHS-LOFull, and RO-BHS-LO. I don't think she has any C on floor, but may be able to upgrade the full to 1.5 during the season. Again, she may get hit with the deduction for not up to competition standard.

She knows she won't score super high and may choose to be an event specialist at the end of the season to try and make regionals, but that is better than quitting. It is her journey and what she is competing is OK (that is my new mantra).

 

[Natasha]

My dd is 2nd year L8 this year too. I have no idea what skills she will end up competing since she also is at a new gym. Not sure if they will decide to play it safe or put the C skills in. Her main goal this year is to just get ready for L9 next year, so my guess is they will experiment with some of the C skills during invitationals to give her some experience competing them and then decide whether to keep them in or take them out for State. She does have her double back off bars, her BT on beam (not consistent enough yet though). She is training 1 1/2 and 2/1 Back Layouts on floor. She is also landing her Tsuk and training Yurchenko, so not sure which vault she will do. Her first meet isn't until January so they are still training lots of stuff and haven't made any decisions on skills yet.

 

[Bajanswife]

All this uncertainty has made our gym conservative with our optionals and which level they will compete. Everyone is starting at level 6 rather than 7, and they will move up when they are solid. Our last year 7s have stopped competing (they instead formed an advanced rec class to do it for fun) so we have no-one remotely ready for level 8 or above. It's safer to compete lower for now and move up when skills are solid enough that we can compete against those doing the maximum their level allows, rather than move up when we only have the minimum requirements.

 

[teksquad]

We've done two meets this Fall, Daughter moving up from old 4 to new 4. I oscillate on how I feel about the scoring. In general, I expected her scores to be lower, because of the move-up, yet I also feel like the scoring in general is tougher than the past two seasons she has competed. The scoring is definitely not "generous"- not much room for giving gymnast the benefit of the doubt. Most of the clean routines seem to be getting mid-8s. There are more 6's than I've ever seen before, and 7's are much more common. There are less 9's, but then there are a few who are getting high 9's. I'm not a judge, so I wonder at what seems to me to be inconsistencies. Some of those 9 routines seem deserving, yet others look like the routines that get mid 8's. In general, based on my non-judge-experience, scores per routine are about 1/2 point lower than I would guess them to be. It will be interesting to see how things go through the season.

 

[gwenmom]

The meet I saw yesterday seemed to scored low in my still fairly new to the sport opinion. What I would have expected to get a low 8 last year was scoring about mid 7.

 

[twisting007bigflip]

My compulsory level 3 and 4 kids competed this weekend and did great. We didn't compete our 5s or our optional kids...I expected the scoring to be about what it was for us in the last cycle since I knew at this judges cup we would see the same judges we saw last year, and it was. All 10 of my new 4s scored above a 9.0 on bars. The lowest was a 9.05, the highest was 9.625. But then only 6 of my 10 level 3s scored above a 9.0...highest was a 9.5, lowest was an 8.3 with a fall on her shoot through. All of my 3s and 4s were over a 9.1 on vault with the highest being a 9.75 (she stuck that thing like a boss) and lowest 9.1 for level 4, and the highest scoring of the 3s was a 9.5 and the lowest was a 9.1...on floor the level 3 scores were lower with the highest being a 9.1 and the lowest being a 7.7 (no back handspring) and the level 4 scored were right where I expected them - between 8.7 on the low end and 9.45 on the high end. Beam was about the same.

I really don't feel like the scoring was lenient, nor do I feel like the scoring was super picky. I thought it was dead on.