Parents Xcel to ncaa

[raenndrops]

I honestly hadn’t realized that high school typically competed routines of those levels. Learn something new everyday!

Ohio and Indiana both use Modified Level 8 requirements (Level 8, but with high school "bonus" for higher level skills). A few years ago, one of our high school gymnasts was a Level 10 who did a combo of Level 9/Level 10 routines for high school (depending on the event and the equipment at the school hosting the meet). She quit JO to do high school her senior year because "she wasn't good enough" for college gymnastics. She competes for her college club team now.

 

[Deleted member 18037]

I honestly hadn’t realized that high school typically competed routines of those levels. Learn something new everyday!

Oh no our HS has gymnastics. We went to a meet pt last year to scope it out.
Most kids were doing L4/5 type gymnastics and scoring 4s. There were a couple of kids doing L7/8 skills, but again not all that well. There are some 9/10s but they are the exception and we didn’t see any at the meet we went too.

 

[raenndrops]

Oh no our HS has gymnastics. We went to a meet pt last year to scope it out.
Most kids were doing L4/5 type gymnastics and scoring 4s. There were a couple of kids doing L7/8 skills, but again not all that well. There are some 9/10s but they are the exception and we didn’t see any at the meet we went too.

If they are using Level 8 rules, then a L4/5 skill level would score in the 4s. Our HS team last year had a few former XG and some L6/XP - L8 gymnasts and most of them scored in the 6 - 7 range unless they had a REALLY good meet. The "good" thing about high school gymnastics is that the girls can specialize in certain events. I met a girl from another Y that competed as a beam / floor specialist for her HS team, but was only in Xcel Gold. The girl had a standing BACK TUCK - switch leap on beam and a FRONT FULL on floor! She couldn't compete either in Xcel Gold, but she was fearful of vault and didn't have a kip or a B skill on bars so when her Y got a team, she competed Gold.

 

[3fro4lfe]

Hi all, I am new here. I have two competing excel gold this year. They are level 4-5. The plan is for both to move to JO next year. Oldest is 14 and my other is 12. We have hopes of them getting scholarships to curb college costs and I am having trouble understanding some of the info yall posted above.

If I am understanding you must be a level 10 by your senior year to have a chance of getting picked up by a college? Also am I to understand the only scholarships offered for gymnastics is partial funding? Thanks in advance for the clarification!

 

[MILgymFAM]

Hi all, I am new here. I have two competing excel gold this year. They are level 4-5. The plan is for both to move to JO next year. Oldest is 14 and my other is 12. We have hopes of them getting scholarships to curb college costs and I am having trouble understanding some of the info yall posted above.

If I am understanding you must be a level 10 by your senior year to have a chance of getting picked up by a college? Also am I to understand the only scholarships offered for gymnastics is partial funding? Thanks in advance for the clarification!

There are schools that give full scholarships, partial scholarships, and no scholarships to compete. To get a scholarship, the most likely route is to be a level ten by 9th grade. Relying on a scholarship for college funding is a VERY risky scenario and you would be 100% more prudent to quit gymnastics and save the money you’d spend in a college savings account.

 

[3fro4lfe]

There are schools that give full scholarships, partial scholarships, and no scholarships to compete. To get a scholarship, the most likely route is to be a level ten by 9th grade. Relying on a scholarship for college funding is a VERY risky scenario and you would be 100% more prudent to quit gymnastics and save the money you’d spend in a college savings account.

Ok, that's what I thought. Thx

 

[PNWMtnDude]

To get a scholarship, the most likely route is to be a level ten by 9th grade. Relying on a scholarship for college funding is a VERY risky scenario and you would be 100% more prudent to quit gymnastics and save the money you’d spend in a college savings account.

Wait, is that really a thing? Level 10 by 9th grade to qualify? Why is that? Is that a hard and fast rule that colleges follow? Have there been exceptions?
You are right about the dangers of relying on a scholarship, I say that all the time. Gymnastics is not cheap, the money you put into it could better be utilized in a college fund.

 

[MILgymFAM]

Wait, is that really a thing? Level 10 by 9th grade to qualify? Why is that? Is that a hard and fast rule that colleges follow? Have there been exceptions?
You are right about the dangers of relying on a scholarship, I say that all the time. Gymnastics is not cheap, the money you put into it could better be utilized in a college fund.

No, it’s not a hard and fast rule, but it does seem to be the way of things. Colleges are filling their rosters earlier and earlier, and twelfth grade is really too late to get to whatever level of ncaa you’re interested in- likely even D3 without any money in the mix. There are more upper level gymnasts than there are scholarships, by far, so the competition is fierce.

 

[amiandjim]

Wait, is that really a thing? Level 10 by 9th grade to qualify? Why is that? Is that a hard and fast rule that colleges follow? Have there been exceptions?
You are right about the dangers of relying on a scholarship, I say that all the time. Gymnastics is not cheap, the money you put into it could better be utilized in a college fund.

Definitely a real thing. With 13-14 year-olds, verbally committing, and more elite girls doing NCAA these days, it’s tough. I know a 14 year-old who recently verbally committed who started getting offers in 7th grade!! 7th!! Aside from the elites commiting, colleges want to see multi-year level 10s who do well at nationals. That’s not to say it’s impossible to get a scholarship your senior year (our last gym actually had 2 girls get offers their senior year), it’s just not as likely.

 

[MeetDirector]

There are schools that give full scholarships, partial scholarships, and no scholarships to compete. To get a scholarship, the most likely route is to be a level ten by 9th grade. Relying on a scholarship for college funding is a VERY risky scenario and you would be 100% more prudent to quit gymnastics and save the money you’d spend in a college savings account.

Having been thru this process a few years ago as have several others on here, allow me to summarize for 3fro4lfe and PNWmtndude and others.

Division I schools with gymnastics do have full athletic scholarships; DII schools with gymnastics half partial athletic scholarships; DIII schools with gymnastics do not have athletic scholarships.

A DI gymnastics team is looking for multi-year level 10 athletes with solid 10 SVs. Since letters of intent are signed mid-high school, a gymnast would most likely need to be a Lvl 10 by early high school in order to demonstrate solid skills and get on the recruiting radar.

Since a typical DI team has 12 scholarship athletes, there are normally 3 sholarships available each year, maybe more. So, do the math - there are’t that many spots available each year for a DI scholarship. As everyone before has said, planning on an athletic scholarship for gymnastics should not be anyone’s only plan for paying for college.

Good Luck.

 

[PNWMtnDude]

Definitely a real thing. With 13-14 year-olds, verbally committing, and more elite girls doing NCAA these days, it’s tough. I know a 14 year-old who recently verbally committed who started getting offers in 7th grade!! 7th!! Aside from the elites commiting, colleges want to see multi-year level 10s who do well at nationals. That’s not to say it’s impossible to get a scholarship your senior year (our last gym actually had 2 girls get offers their senior year), it’s just not as likely.

Oh wow, 7th grade! I guess I should not be surprised, we have a girl in our gym who was a National Team Member since 2013, she committed when she was 14 as well. When I heard that I thought that was a bit early, but now I know better - thanks to everyone for the explanation!

 

[Flyaway]

Oh wow, 7th grade! I guess I should not be surprised, we have a girl in our gym who was a National Team Member since 2013, she committed when she was 14 as well. When I heard that I thought that was a bit early, but now I know better - thanks to everyone for the explanation!

It IS early. We've had extensive conversations here about early committing and recruitment of middle schoolers. Many are not in favor of it, but it happens for sure.

 

[QueenBee]

D3 schools typically find academic money for their athletes. My nephew is doing D3 tennis with a decent academic ride. Also know an athlete got an academic ride to Harvard for D3 athletics.

If my daughter were to do college athletics it would be D3.

Harvard is Division I in athletics. As others have said, no ivy league colleges give 'academic' rides. All their applicants are highly qualified so they don't need to 'sweeten' the pot with merit money. Ivy league colleges also don't give athletic scholarships of any kind. They are all "financial need based" in terms of the money they give.

Now, you can qualify for some "financial need" at Harvard even if your parents make up to 250k a year...so they are very generous in deciding what 'need' is (as opposed to most colleges who don't have the same kind of enormous endowment Harvard does).

 

[Deleted member 18037]

Harvard is Division I in athletics.

The college/university can be Div1 in one sport but not in others. It’s not all or nothing.

My husbands alma mater was Div 1 in hockey. No other sport though.

Now, you can qualify for some "financial need" at Harvard even if your parents make up to 250k a year...so they are very generous in deciding what 'need' is (as opposed to most colleges who don't have the same kind of enormous endowment Harvard does).

Yes I’m sure they can dig into those endowment pockets a little deeper when they care too.....and do

 

[CLgym]

So I'm bringing us back to high school gymnastics (this thread has really gone all over the place!). I am fascinated by the differences in HS gymnastics by state. My niece is a gymnast in MN, so I already knew they had a strong high school program there. I decided to research my state.... My DD is a 10yo Level 7 so we are still several years away from high school, but I was curious. In my state, I believe the reigning high school champ is a multi-year level 10 (who scored a 37+ at JO Nationals this year). It looks like most competitive HS teams have girls that are solidly L8-9-10. Also, athletes are able to do both club and high school gymnastics -- except for about 3 months during the official winter HS sports season when they can only practice with their school team. (This is true of all HS sports -- My high school son has played baseball for both his high school team and a year-round travel team, but the travel team cannot practice/compete during the spring high school season.) Unfortunately, my school district doesn't have a high school program. But it is a very appealing option to me — especially since, as we've established above, college gymnastics is not a realistic goal for many girls.

 

[Deleted member 18037]

So I'm bringing us back to high school gymnastics (this thread has really gone all over the place!). I am fascinated by the differences in HS gymnastics by state.

Can only speak to our area in NY.

Many girls do HS and private team gymnastics.

My daughter could compete varsity as a middle school kid since there is no modified or JV gymnastics. When I emailed our district athletic director for information, the gymnastics coach got back to me rather quickly that my kid was welcome on team. And they would work with her JO gym.

As I said up thread there are a couple L10/9 cometeing HS in our section. But there are many girls, judging by our observation at meets that are no where near that level if they even do private team gym at all.

For the moment mine has decided to just concentrate on JO and settling into middle school.

 

[NutterButter]

So I'm bringing us back to high school gymnastics (this thread has really gone all over the place!). I am fascinated by the differences in HS gymnastics by state. My niece is a gymnast in MN, so I already knew they had a strong high school program there. I decided to research my state.... My DD is a 10yo Level 7 so we are still several years away from high school, but I was curious. In my state, I believe the reigning high school champ is a multi-year level 10 (who scored a 37+ at JO Nationals this year). It looks like most competitive HS teams have girls that are solidly L8-9-10. Also, athletes are able to do both club and high school gymnastics -- except for about 3 months during the official winter HS sports season when they can only practice with their school team. (This is true of all HS sports -- My high school son has played baseball for both his high school team and a year-round travel team, but the travel team cannot practice/compete during the spring high school season.) Unfortunately, my school district doesn't have a high school program. But it is a very appealing option to me — especially since, as we've established above, college gymnastics is not a realistic goal for many girls.

I'm in Minnesota and similar rules are in place here where kids can't compete for club and school sports at the same time. The HS gymnastics season runs roughly Dec - Mar so this means JO Optionals can't do both. In addition to the kids who have competed either Xcel or JO, there's another competition stream in MN called MAGA that is based on L8 scoring and this program feeds into many high school programs.

 

[MILgymFAM]

So I'm bringing us back to high school gymnastics (this thread has really gone all over the place!). I am fascinated by the differences in HS gymnastics by state. My niece is a gymnast in MN, so I already knew they had a strong high school program there. I decided to research my state.... My DD is a 10yo Level 7 so we are still several years away from high school, but I was curious. In my state, I believe the reigning high school champ is a multi-year level 10 (who scored a 37+ at JO Nationals this year). It looks like most competitive HS teams have girls that are solidly L8-9-10. Also, athletes are able to do both club and high school gymnastics -- except for about 3 months during the official winter HS sports season when they can only practice with their school team. (This is true of all HS sports -- My high school son has played baseball for both his high school team and a year-round travel team, but the travel team cannot practice/compete during the spring high school season.) Unfortunately, my school district doesn't have a high school program. But it is a very appealing option to me — especially since, as we've established above, college gymnastics is not a realistic goal for many girls.

As the OP, it wasn’t originally about high school at all. Lol. Just Xcel to NCAA. We’ve never lived close enough to a high school team to get a glimpse into that world. I love the twists and turns though!

 

[FlippinLilysMom]

I honestly hadn’t realized that high school typically competed routines of those levels. Learn something new everyday!

I have to disagree with this, being in Minnesota and having many, many of the girls from our team move over to high school, they are NOT doing level 9/10 skills, maybe level 8 and that is pushing it.

 

[FlippinLilysMom]

I'm in Minnesota and similar rules are in place here where kids can't compete for club and school sports at the same time. The HS gymnastics season runs roughly Dec - Mar so this means JO Optionals can't do both. In addition to the kids who have competed either Xcel or JO, there's another competition stream in MN called MAGA that is based on L8 scoring and this program feeds into many high school programs.

I do not know of any club in Minnesota that would allow their JO team gymnast to also compete high school, I have not idea if it is actually a statewide rule or a gym by gym rule but I have NEVER heard of a JO team level gymnast who also does high school gymnastics, at least not in Minnesota.