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My daughter has always wanted to do college gymnastics. It has been her dream ever she was 6 years old. She has had some major set backs so far so she is far behind others in her class.
She graduates in 2026. She is competing xcel platinum but can do diamond routines (one level per year rule at her gym). Some of her skills include a tsuk on vault , giants and double backs on bars, almost has her back full and front layout on floor, bhs and ro bt dismount on beam. We are transferring her to DP next season. Not sure which level yet but hopefully level 8.
She has always been the hardest worker on the various teams she has been on. Her coaches gave her an award for being the best team player on her team one year.
Obviously she wants to be on a D1 team but she knows that there are low hopes for her on that front. But we have been doing some research about D3 gymnastics and we believe that she would have a better chance making a team. If she were to make a team, we think it would be because of her vault and bars. She doesn’t have her heart set on any specific colleges either.
Do you think that there is any possibility of her having a shot at making any D3 team? Would it be too early to make a recruiting account even though she isn’t even in DP yet?
 
I personally would wait to make any recruiting account until she is demonstrating at least solid level 9 skills and routines. Doesn't have to be across all events.

It is so hard to know what the future holds as so many things could happen. Given where she is now, if she made good progress each year, it is possible, but blocks, injuries, etc get in the way so you just don't know. I will say that most D3 rosters are filled with L10 gymnasts who have had either late starts or lots of injuries that hindered their recruiting years. There are a few L9s but most of these are specialists with superb skills in one or two events. To be marketable in VT as a specialist (being recruited just for VT) she would need a more advanced VT like a twisting one or a front front. All D3 teams have at least 6 layout and above vt-ers when healthy so they would be only looking for a specialist who could bring in a higher start value. Recruiting as a bar specialist only, she would need a solid L10 routines with at least a 9.8 start value but like 10.0SV, meaning she would either need two transitions or a single bar release. bars appears to be more volatile for a lot of D3 teams because of shoulder and wrist injuries and that bars is just really hard for a lot of gymnasts, so if she can excel in bars, she will have a better recruiting shot.

If you haven't already, try to stream some of the D3 meets so that you get a sense of what skills she will need as a recruitable specialist, she would need to be striving for the more skills/routines not the lower ones. D3s often have a few really strong routines and then a few "average". So for bars, you may see 2-3 scores in the 9.5+ range and then the rest would be lower. VT would be 9.6+ but more like 9.7+
 
I recently was at a D3 meet and was surprised at the number who came from Xcel, so it is possible.

Bars will be very difficult even if it's her best event now just because it takes years to learn the release skills (and this assumes she already has a high to low bar release now). Most in D3 are competing single bar releases, even in the lower ranked teams. It's very possible to put together a routine w/o the single bar release but if your DD isn't consistently training high-low bar releases now then unfortunately, time will probably not be on her side.

It's too early to start a recruiting account as it sounds like she doesn't have any high value skills yet. The important thing will be whether your DD has skills for a 10.0SV on routines. This is what college coaches look for.
 
I recently was at a D3 meet and was surprised at the number who came from Xcel, so it is possible.
Interesting. Do you mind sharing the colleges? Or at least saying east vs west? I know there are a couple gymnasts sprinkled throughout D3 but maybe more are being recruited especially now with sapphire?
 
As far as I know, there are no D3 women's gymnastics programs in the west. The list is pretty short, right? Are there others beyond USAG's list? Or is my sense of geography mistaken? Link Removed
 
If by west, you mean Western US, then yes. NCGA divides up teams by 'west' and 'east' hence the reference above to west. The west teams are in WI, MN and now IA. East teams are eastern US.
 
As far as I know, there are no D3 women's gymnastics programs in the west. The list is pretty short, right? Are there others beyond USAG's list? Or is my sense of geography mistaken? Link Removed
There are 8(?) D3 programs in the western Conference (WIAC), but no, they are not really in the west. they are in MN and WI. 5 of them are University of Wisconsin schools.
 
Thanks! Being from CA we don't tend to think of those states as west. What you shared makes sense, though.
 
Hi! I am a level 8 gymnast here to help. Many collages start scouting level 9 and 10 competitions for juniors and seniors that might fit well on their teams. If your daughter competes those levels well, she does have a chance of getting in. And no, it is not too early to make a recruiting account because even if your daughter doesn’t transfer to DP, some Xcel gymnasts still move on to collage, even if it is unlikel.
 
It is possible? Yes, but I'll come back to that. The main thing is that D3 coaches look for 10.0SV for routines so your DD has three more years to achieve and perfect skills. While you see the occasional front-entry vault competed most coaches prefer a Yurchenko-entry. Again the focus is on 10.0 start value so she will need some sort of twisting with the Yurchenko or a hand front. Bars will be very difficult if she hasn't started training release moves (both single bar and high to low) because the progressions to skill acquisition take years.

There's been buzz on Chalkbucket in recent months that D3 teams 'allow' Xcel which makes me laugh because there's a reason for this. The Iowa schools have brand new programs and I'm sure they will be building them out so that they are more competitive. With some of the others you really have to pay attention to quality of academics and/or quality of coaching. I live in Minnesota and my DD opted to go an East school. Some of the West schools I would NOT send my kid to (which says a lot because there is reciprocity between MN/WI state schools so she could have gone to any of the WI schools and pay in-state tuition).

Now back to the question of it being possible...My DD started high school as a L8 and then spent 3 years at L9. Even though she was a L9, she had some bigger skills on floor (which she had competed) and nice upgrades on vault that were not yet ready for competition. Bars was actually her 'strongest' event in terms of scores and placements at meets but w/o a release skill (and her gym didn't even train single bar release skills), there was no interest in her bars despite having beautiful fundamentals (giants, handstands, etc). She started her IG account the summer before Sr year and met with several college coaches in November of her Sr year. All conversations centered on how to create 10.0SV routines with her current skills. Floor - check; Beam - close though she didn't want to compete beam in college. Vault - not yet 10.0 (still training twisting) but was told she'd easily make the early season lineup with her Yurchenko layout. Bars - I already explained, not happening.

So back to your DD...she will have to cover a lot of ground in 3 years. Higher level skills take time. Having a strong work ethic in the gym is great but that really is more of a requirement for higher level gymnastics if you know what I mean. She will have injuries and mental blocks. This is where Luck comes in as sometimes the injuries/blocks happen at the worst possible time (meaning she has to miss an entire season/pre-season or she has an injury that takes months to come back from).

Higher level gymnastics is HARD and your DD hasn't even started this part of her journey yet. My advice is to encourage her to enjoy where she is now and not focus on the college team goal. Re-evalulate in a year after she's made the switch to DP. I know so many athletes who get stuck on the goal of college gymnastics that it takes away some enjoyment of the here/now.
 
I read a post about a girl who took a gap-year after high school to do another year of level 10 in order to land a spot on a college team. It worked for her. I’m not sure of all the rules but that is one way to literally buy more time.
 
I recently was at a D3 meet and was surprised at the number who came from Xcel, so it is possible.

Bars will be very difficult even if it's her best event now just because it takes years to learn the release skills (and this assumes she already has a high to low bar release now). Most in D3 are competing single bar releases, even in the lower ranked teams. It's very possible to put together a routine w/o the single bar release but if your DD isn't consistently training high-low bar releases now then unfortunately, time will probably not be on her side.

It's too early to start a recruiting account as it sounds like she doesn't have any high value skills yet. The important thing will be whether your DD has skills for a 10.0SV on routines. This is what college coaches look for.
Do you know any of the gymnasts names that came from xcel? Im really trying to aim for d3 college and ill be a junior next year, either xcel diamond or sapphire, if i don't go to sapphire next year ill be on the higher end of diamond my junior year, and sapphire my senior year.
 
I have a daughter who is a D3 gymnast and they do recruit from High school (mine was training level 9 in 10th grade but decided she wanted to try high school gymnastics ) anyhow she is now a D3 gymnast and has teammates that were DP, Xcel and high school team gymnasts
 
Do you know any of the gymnasts names that came from xcel? Im really trying to aim for d3 college and ill be a junior next year, either xcel diamond or sapphire, if i don't go to sapphire next year ill be on the higher end of diamond my junior year, and sapphire my senior year.
look at Hamline in St Paul, MN they have at least 1 that came from Xcel (I'm not sure what girls did tho ) and Since Saphire is new here they were not Saphire
 
The idea of Xcel or High School to D3 comes up from time to time and I think some of the responses here give an inflated sense of hope to aspiring collegiate gymnasts. All NCAA gymnastics levels (D1, D2 and D3) use the same scoring guidelines. To maximize scores, coaches will be looking for athletes who can compete routines with a 10.0 SV and if not, they will look for the ability to score under 10.0SV w/minimal deductions. You can watch videos of college meets to get a sense of the skills competed. The highest ranked D3 teams will usually max out in the mid-190s - on par with many lower ranked D1 teams. These teams will not have Xcel or high school athletes unless there's some special circumstance with the athlete (such as competing L10 then dropping to HS their senior year or a crazy talented late bloomer who started very, very late). Some of these high ranked D3 teams will have former L9 - but the thing is often these L9's are not making lineups or are competing one event.

So that leaves the lower ranked D3 teams. Some of these teams struggle to hit the low-mid 180s. You can look at the rankings of all teams at roadtonationals.com to find this out. Some of the lower ranked teams are only in their 1st or 2nd year and conceivably those coaches will be looking build out rosters with more qualified athletes in the short term. So that leaves a couple of teams that are perennially near the bottom. These teams do have Xcel/high school athletes on their rosters. They are not competing much, if at all. The goal of the D3 programs is not to give lesser qualified athletes an opportunity, it's that the schools can't recruit more qualified athletes.
 
The most realistic way for an xcel or high school only gymnast to be recruited to a D3 is if the gymnast is at a much higher level on Vt or Bars - a 9.8+ SV vt, an excellent bar worker who can upgrade easily for a 10.0 SV.

Over the past several years, most D3 teams have been able to recruit higher skilled gymnasts and we have seen the scores increase accordingly. Yes, there are a few D3 teams that score low to mid 180s but they are newer teams and only a matter of time before they see their scores rise. But for now, these teams would be the ones to look at in terms of who is competing, what their previous levels were, and what they are currently competing. But even these teams are not looking below L10 unless they absolutely have to and only then it will be for specialists, like mentioned above.

Across D3, in general:
vt: the lowest you will see is a yurchenko or Tsuk layout - 9.7? SV. Most teams have at least 2 higher SV vautlers.

bars: lowest is 2 transitional releases (pak, overshoot, toe-catch, maloney, straddle back) but most teams have 2-3 gymnasts with single bar releases. And combination dismount or a double layout or double twist dismount - essentially 9.7+ SV, with usually 3+ gymnasts with a 10.0SV

beam and floor : all teams pretty much have 6+ beam and floor positions with 9.8-10.0 SVs

Also keep in mind while watching meets, D3 gymnasts generally have had more injuries than D1 gymnasts and D3 teams don't usually have the depth that D1 teams have and as a result, many times they rely on gymnasts who are either mildly injured or other gymnasts with lower SVs. So, a gymnast with a mild knee injury may do only a chenko LO vt instead of their twisting vt so that they can present 6 clean vts instead of risking a fall or aggravating the injury further. In other words, you are not always seeing what the team members are fully capable of.
 
There's a lot of schools with club gymnastics. Since you're looking at D3 I'm assuming you understand that D3 doesn't come with athletic money. You can, however, get athletic money at D2 and D1 levels for acrobatics and tumbling. Might help to expand horizons a bit. Happy to answer any questions on the process if you have any as my '24 will be an A&T gymnast next year.
 

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