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I feel the need to post this. If you can't do it like this, don't do it.
Handspring forward to double forward somersault tuckedActually sorry. I messed up. The vault he did is not called a Dragalescu. It's what I said it was, 1/2 on double pike off, but I forget the name of it. Brooks does a Prudonova. Sorry for the confusion!
Now people are butt landing it and nearly getting olympic medals...
If 4th place isn't "near medaling"...what is?Except that's just not true. Dipa got a 14.866 and Chuso a 14.933 for their Produnovas. Nowhere near medaling. And neither actually "butt landed" it. Chuso landed very low and had to flip out of it. Dipa landed feet first and then sat.
Except that's just not true. Dipa got a 14.866 and Chuso a 14.933 for their Produnovas. Nowhere near medaling. And neither actually "butt landed" it. Chuso landed very low and had to flip out of it. Dipa landed feet first and then sat.
I thought we were talking specifically about their Produnovas. Lets not mix apples with oranges.
well, that's true, I was looking at her first score so I stand corrected . But still the produnova is an almost impossibly difficult vault. And she landed it. Then sat it down. I thought it was a fair score.Either way, Dipa's Produnova was the score that brought her average up and her into 4th, despite the messy landing.
Yes, totally fair. What is interesting when looking at the score breakdown is that Simone and Giulia were the only 2 with 9+ execution scores. Maria got silver largely due to her D scores (her D value was the same as Simone, 6.4 and 6.3) while Guilia earned bronze because of her E scores (her difficulty was 6.2 and 5.8). So while Maria didn't do a crazy high value vault, her vaults were more difficult than what she was capable of executing cleanly, unlike Simone and Giulia.well, that's true, I was looking at her first score so I stand corrected . But still the produnova is an almost impossibly difficult vault. And she landed it. Then sat it down. I thought it was a fair score.
I totally see your point. I guess I am just in such awe of any women who would even try the Produnova.While yes, technically Dipa "landed it", meaning feet did hit the ground a split second before her bum brushes the surface in a full on squat, I think the issue people have here (and I agree), is that when you consistently 'land' a vault in a deep squat with bum brushing the ground, and you are actually pleased with that outcome as a 'successful' vault landing (as evidenced by Dipa's happy face after that 'landing'), the standard for execution is too low and the reward too high. The code should not be rewarding people so highly for such low-squatted landings (what I believe previous posters here call 'butt landings' despite technically having feet down first) so much that knowing you are in all likelihood going to at best deep-squat land can still place you in/near Olympic medal contention. Landing consistently in a low squat is dangerous, ugly, and I think not in line with the spirit of Olympic-level vault achievement.
Can't blame Dipa for working the system as her 'butt landing' (visually, that is what it is - again, yes, I know technically was feet first but her butt did scrape the mat) could have realistically equaled an Olympic medal, so why not try? She played by the rules, gave her best, and more power to her. Personally, I'm happy to hear the code is changing the start value in the future, though.
OK if others disagree and like the current code that rewards more difficulty and are less inclined to consider the landing as important here. It's all subjective.