MAG Back Hip Circle Help - 5 year old

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sharpskillz

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Hello Gymnastics coaches,

I'm a new coach and a retired rec gymnast :p. I have been coaching a 4-5 year old boys kinder class, and there is one particular kid who is pretty advanced. No fear, and pretty much goes for any skill I teach. Also pretty good strength. Thinking of having him get checked for pre-team at the end of the season.

About a month ago, he got his back hip circle on bars. At first they were alright. Never finished in front support, but made it around. But lately, I've been noticing that after the cast, when bringing the hips back to the bar, he kinda bends his arms and goes on his stomach and then circles, instead of resting on his hips, which kind off kills his speed. Can kinda look like a pull over from a stomach high chin up. When he doesn't bend his arms, he doesn't make it around, and instead, just drops straight down.

We tried a few drills, assuming all he needs is to keep his arms straight, however, with limited time on bars for a kinder class thats once a week, it's hard for him to maintain anything really. His older sister is competitive at another gym and dad mentioned they have a Tumbl Track bar at home so not sure if its because of that.

Has anybody seen kids do back hip circles with their stomaches or similar and have been able to fix it?
 
First thing I would do is isolate the BHC from the cast. Ie, he just holds a tight position and you spin him around the bar, and all he has to do is stay tight and keep arms straight.

I'd also look at how he transitions from his cast to his BHC. The power doesn't come from the legs and feet coming down and forward; it comes from the chest dropping back. He may be waiting too long to drop the chest and shoulders back.
 
Another possibility is that based on anatomy, he could have been practicing at home and banged something against the bars after the cast that didn't feel the greatest and is now a little gunshy.
 
First thing I would do is isolate the BHC from the cast. Ie, he just holds a tight position and you spin him around the bar, and all he has to do is stay tight and keep arms straight.

I'd also look at how he transitions from his cast to his BHC. The power doesn't come from the legs and feet coming down and forward; it comes from the chest dropping back. He may be waiting too long to drop the chest and shoulders back.
That’s it. When he transitions from the cast to hip circle, that’s when he bends arms and drops to his stomach instead of his hips while falling back. It goes pretty fast tho which is why I didnt really notice until I really payed attention.

Im wondering if it might be because he only does one cast before circling around? Other boys i coach do 3 to 4 before completing the circle so I’m wondering if that could help keep focus on hips?

Do you have any tips on teaching the concept of staying *tight* to little ones? They can do hollow holds on floor and can apply it to like push ups or even handstand flatbacks but some events like bars, I find I dont get through to them.
 
I'm not a coach but it sounds like he's not dropping his shoulders back, but instead bending his arms as a way of coming down. This is probably also less scary for some kids, so I can get how that'd happen.
The way I explain staying tight when I help friends in adult gym is "if I try and pry them apart or move them they shouldn't move". I usually do it by actually trying. Like "Can I push against your arm? See, now it moved. Try to keep it so it'll stay in place when I push. See, that's staying tight"
For the concept of a tight core, I've taken somebody to bars and done short hollow and arch hangs ()

I think spotting him through the movement slowly may help him understand the shape and movement better. Perhaps the "cast - drop back to mat" drill that's also done for clear hips could also help him?
But I guess I'll leave the further answering to the coaches as they actually know what they're talking about :).
 

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