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Good question, I'd like to know how other regions do it too. There were 222 L8s at NY States, and 157 L8s total (so all states in the Region) at Region 6 Regionals. It's very hard to make L7/8 Regionals in Region 6. We had a L7 with a 36.85 that didn't make it.Is region 6 the only region that only allows a specific number of level 8s to compete at Regionals? Versus scoring a specific score at states to qualify? I know in NY alone there are more than 157 level 8s, so the number is clearly based only on those that qualified to regionals based on a percent of percent basis.
You need 583 level 8 to move up one spot in the rankings . you can look up each state meet and count them . Then submit the numbers to them .Is region 6 the only region that only allows a specific number of level 8s to compete at Regionals? Versus scoring a specific score at states to qualify? I know in NY alone there are more than 157 level 8s, so the number is clearly based only on those that qualified to regionals based on a percent of percent basis.
You need 583 level 8 to move up one spot in the rankings . you can look up each state meet and count them . Then submit the numbers to them .
When it comes to levels 8 amd under each region has its own criteria. If they allow 8's to go to nationals someday then a national standard will be mandated.I don't disagree with the ranking of the regions. However, it should state that the number of level 8s is based on those that qualified to regionals. That number is going to vary significantly if a region has qualifications based on score versus a set number of athletes. I'm curious if any other regions, besides region 6, have a set qualification number.
we have a math wiz in the group! this ranking for sure is tilted based on number of competitors in the region.....If anyone is in touch with them, please convey to them that I think what they are trying to do is really great, but they could do it even better with some very minimal consulting with a qualified social scientist on how to design comparative quantitative studies. Since they are already putting a lot of effort into gathering the data, doing just a few things differently could make the end product a good deal more reliable and useful. Basically, when you're doing comparisons, you need to ensure you're comparing apples to apples. Looking at overall numbers of qualifiers only makes sense if a) the base number of competitors is similar and b) the system through which people qualify is the same. As just one example of why base numbers matter, what would be more impressive to you personally, a system in which of 100 competitors, 10 reached the highest possible level (objectively determined across systems), or a system in which of 1000 competitors, 10 reached that level?
Region 8 does a specific number for L8 (6 and 7 too). 438 participated at L8 regionals, which is what chalk warrior is listing but that's only about half of who qualified for state meets at L8. So that number alone is way off. For L8, they should have counted up the individual state meet numbers within each region for a more accurate number. How does Region 1, 5, 7 qualify their L8 regional competitors?Is region 6 the only region that only allows a specific number of level 8s to compete at Regionals? Versus scoring a specific score at states to qualify? I know in NY alone there are more than 157 level 8s, so the number is clearly based only on those that qualified to regionals based on a percent of percent basis.
If anyone is in touch with them, please convey to them that I think what they are trying to do is really great, but they could do it even better with some very minimal consulting with a qualified social scientist on how to design comparative quantitative studies. Since they are already putting a lot of effort into gathering the data, doing just a few things differently could make the end product a good deal more reliable and useful. Basically, when you're doing comparisons, you need to ensure you're comparing apples to apples. Looking at overall numbers of qualifiers only makes sense if a) the base number of competitors is similar and b) the system through which people qualify is the same. As just one example of why base numbers matter, what would be more impressive to you personally, a system in which of 100 competitors, 10 reached the highest possible level (objectively determined across systems), or a system in which of 1000 competitors, 10 reached that level?
in R5 a 34.0 at state is required to go to regionals. or you can petition if you were injured or qualify to compete on an individual eventRegion 8 does a specific number for L8 (6 and 7 too). 438 participated at L8 regionals, which is what chalk warrior is listing but that's only about half of who qualified for state meets at L8. So that number alone is way off. For L8, they should have counted up the individual state meet numbers within each region for a more accurate number. How does Region 1, 5, 7 qualify their L8 regional competitors?
Also, region 8 began requiring a 35 for L9 regionals 2 years ago and for L10 this past year. So that brings those numbers down compared to the rest of the regions (unless all went to 35 for regionals this year - but I think that is only to qualify for nationals, right?). Obviously, though it doesn't change the number of AA titles for Nationals since every region sends the same number of girls.
I think ChalkWarrior is run by a high school student. She's obviously impressively good at the marketing, web building, promoting, graphic/video stuff, but it's understandable why her social science skills are lacking.If anyone is in touch with them, please convey to them that I think what they are trying to do is really great, but they could do it even better with some very minimal consulting with a qualified social scientist on how to design comparative quantitative studies. Since they are already putting a lot of effort into gathering the data, doing just a few things differently could make the end product a good deal more reliable and useful. Basically, when you're doing comparisons, you need to ensure you're comparing apples to apples. Looking at overall numbers of qualifiers only makes sense if a) the base number of competitors is similar and b) the system through which people qualify is the same. As just one example of why base numbers matter, what would be more impressive to you personally, a system in which of 100 competitors, 10 reached the highest possible level (objectively determined across systems), or a system in which of 1000 competitors, 10 reached that level?
for Level 8? That's a big difference. NC's qualifying was a 35.7 and the number of girls between that and a score of 34 is roughly 30 gymnasts. I am sure FL and GA were higher because they have more total gymnasts. So at least 100 more L8 gymnasts just from those three states. Likely more like 150-200 taking into account the 5 other states.in R5 a 34.0 at state is required to go to regionals. or you can petition if you were injured or qualify to compete on an individual event
Yes levels 8-10. But that is the same across the region. state to state it does not change.for Level 8? That's a big difference. NC's qualifying was a 35.7 and the number of girls between that and a score of 34 is roughly 30 gymnasts. I am sure FL and GA were higher because they have more total gymnasts. So at least 100 more L8 gymnasts just from those three states. Likely more like 150-200 taking into account the 5 other states.
Region 8 actually does a percentage, not a specific number. The number for region qualifiers from each state that you see listed on the Region 8 website before the state meet is based on number of level 8s in each state. I think the percentage might be 50% +1 or it might be a higher percentage. That's why some states have a lot more qualifiers than others. Region 8 raised the Level 9/10 requirements probably because there are so many gymnasts at that level.Region 8 does a specific number for L8 (6 and 7 too). 438 participated at L8 regionals, which is what chalk warrior is listing but that's only about half of who qualified for state meets at L8. So that number alone is way off. For L8, they should have counted up the individual state meet numbers within each region for a more accurate number. How does Region 1, 5, 7 qualify their L8 regional competitors?
Also, region 8 began requiring a 35 for L9 regionals 2 years ago and for L10 this past year. So that brings those numbers down compared to the rest of the regions (unless all went to 35 for regionals this year - but I think that is only to qualify for nationals, right?). Obviously, though it doesn't change the number of AA titles for Nationals since every region sends the same number of girls.
That being said , in my opinion a region with more athletes as a whole is doing a better job at bringing kids up so they are "better". So this logic is flawed in my opinion.we have a math wiz in the group! this ranking for sure is tilted based on number of competitors in the region.....