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Hello hoping for some help. We just got rid of an inexpensive metal bar and purchased a tumbl trak Junior pro because of so many recommendations in this group.. I wanted my daughter to have a sturdy heavy duty bar to practice at home as she’s now training level 3 and it was very wobbly.
She has been having trouble with the front hip circle and pretty much had it on the old bar and can do it about 1 in 4 times at the gym but she can’t get it at all on this new bar. She probably tried 100x. It’s very slippery. Does anyone have this problem and how did you fix it? Did you find the tumbl track pro similar to the gym bar?
 
That's a good home bar... but no... it's nothing like a gym bar. If it's slippery... just wear chalk.
 
We have the same bar from Covid times when everything was shut down. It’s a great bar, but my daughter agreed to retire it once she got to level 4, and even then it was already mostly a drying rack for laundry.

I think the only skill that ever felt the same on it as at the gym was her back hip circle and her pullover. She complained a lot about how different it felt for front hip circle and kipping and she ended up using it only for conditioning and casts and taking swinging breaks when she was supposed to be doing homework.

Anyway, in general we learned that a skill that got to about 80% on the home bar usually showed up at the gym 1-2 weeks later. It was great for those times when her workout group was huge and she never felt like she got enough turns. And when her kip briefly went on vacation, she invented some kind of elaborate contraption out of nylon webbing belts that helped her get it back. But please don’t ever try that or tell her coaches!
 
And when her kip briefly went on vacation, she invented some kind of elaborate contraption out of nylon webbing belts that helped her get it back. But please don’t ever try that or tell her coaches!
Hey, if it works, you'll have a hard time finding a coach that will argue-especially with kips! Heck, you should videotape and share. (We found a way to utilize orange Home Depot refrigerator moving straps to help learn kips, so no judgement there!)
 
We have this bar. Although my kid’s in mag and doesn’t train front hip circles, he somehow teaches himself baby giants, squat ons, and lots of straddle pike dismounts.

All this to say the mag bar is very different than that bar however, he hasnt complained except for its not tall enough.

In terms of the front hip circles, another gymnast in our family who used to be the original owner of our jr bar pro bar, found it difficult to perform that skill on the home bar practically until her level 3 season started. The lack of bounce in the bar means u gotta rely more on strength and technique which meant at the gym, she was able to achieve the circle with straight arms easily.

This bar is a good and expensive bar. You really cant go wrong. Please please please make sure your gymnast is supervised while she uses the bar. Accidents happen especially in this sport.

Happy practicing!
 
The lack of bounce in the bar means u gotta rely more on strength

This is exactly it.

Working on a stiff rail is just like pole vaulting with a stiff pole... it doesn't work as well...

Olympic Games Sport GIF by NBC Olympics


Upper level uneven bar coaching is all about how the rail flexes and throws the athlete like a bow and arrow. We call front hip circles a "small circle"... as opposed to "large circles" or giants. The trick here is that "circle"... small or large are actually "ovals"... the stiffer the rail... the more circular the skill becomes... it's different.

Sometimes you will hear coaches say "feel the bottom of the bar" or "pull the bar down"... these are comments meant to get the gymnast to understand the bend of the bar.

Upper level coaches all know the difference between the bars that their gymnasts compete on. For example... an AAI X rail is very different than an AAI E rail... from the AAI site...


Designed with the athlete in mind, the Graphite E Rail is constructed of a hollow fiberglass and graphite epoxy core with a wood veneer securely laminated around the outside. The E Rail is made with less graphite strands and is 15%-17% less rigid than the current Graphite X Rail. Our meticulous process makes for a high-quality, high-performance final product.

The Spieth rail is more bouncy...


And the international Spieth rails are even bouncier...



These bars all make an extreme difference at the upper levels. And that's not even going into the tension on them. The device below helps coaches adjust the tension properly...

 

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