Anon Level 10 floor twisting vs flipping

[Anonymous (4c85)]

I am really just curious. Is there a good reason to take back handsprings out of floor tumbling passes? My daughter (more of a flipper than a twister) still has the back handspring in her pass and does RO BHS double pike. A few of the girls are "twisters," and they do round off into a double full. One girl is working a RO triple full for one of her passes. Is it easier to tumble without the back handspring? Harder? Are there more deductions if you include the bhs? Is one or the other preferred for college?

 

[Anonymous (a3d3)]

I think most of the time the BHS is preferred, as you usually can generate more power adding it, if the technique is right, of course.
Usually BHS are not very deducted in high level of tumbling, but they can have separated and/or bent legs taken on them.
Some gymnast just have some trouble with them, especially if the shoulder flexibility is poor. Also sometimes in combination passes like back 1 1/2 to 2/1 or 2 1/2, or 1 1/2+ front full the back handspring is not done to have more space to do the combination, but usually only before de 1 1/2 (ie they'd do ro+11/2+ro+ff+2/1).
I'd think especially for hard flipping saltos the BHS is the better option (I don't think I've ever seen a double layout from a round off only, for example)

 

[Anonymous (9040)]

My daughter is a 10 and does a bhs into her double back but twists directly from a round off. The technique for each skill is different and she’s able to hit the correct angle for twisting easier from a round off. It really doesn’t matter if they do a bhs or not.

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

The reason twisting is often trained directly out of a roundoff is because athletes are more likely to connect an additional skill out of a twisting element (say, 2.5 punch front, for example). In this case, you want to leave enough space for the added skill at the end, and you also generally want to maintain some horizontal momentum through the skill. Roundoff without BHS works great for this.

For a double salto, you want to maximize height and rotation, even if doing so takes up a bit more space. ROBHS is much better-suited for this.