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I think this whole thread is incredibly helpful for anyone hoping to compete at the collegiate level. Please keep sharing, and good luck to you and your daughter! I'm sure the perfect fit will be found.
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Yes, this is my experience too. My daughter has had 3 phone calls and a few emails so far. But we weren't really expecting a whole lot this summer.. hoping for more interest next year. But we have other recruitables at our gym that have had more phone calls and interest. And probably 4-5 schools have come to visit. The strongest of them has 2-3 official visits scheduled. I have no idea about in home visits, etc, but I don't think so. I agree that the OP must have a top 20 recruit which is awesome. But definitely not something I can relate to. Very exciting though!This is very interesting and I appreciate your sharing. I think your experience is definitely not typical and is likely reflective of what happens with the top say 20-30 recruits of a given class. What do others think?
I'm really curious about the $10-$30k NIL number. Is that per year, or over four years? It explains why the scholarships will become somewhat less relevant, or at least less crucial, over time.
One question: Do you have a sense for how many athletes the various programs are planning/hoping to support in the coming years, or how they are planning to handle the new world of up to 20 scholarship but no more than 20 spots? Will it completely vary from school to school? Does each school decide how to interpret Title IX? Or is everything completely up in the air right now?
Thank you again for sharing! I think the main reason that others are not chiming in is because very few are in the recruiting situation that your daughter is in. (As a point of reference, of the many/10+ recruitable 2025s and 2026s at my daughter's gym I know of only one who had a "home visit"/dinner with a coach. She is an elite/former national team member and had only one dinner that I know of. The rest of the recruits (most are reasonably strong L10s, multi-year national qualifiers, scoring 37s, some 38s) are not seeing anywhere near the type of interest that your daughter is seeing. It's more like phone calls, some official visits, the occasional coach visiting the gym, and an offer here and there.
Thanks, we feel incredibly humbled and blessed that she is in this position. We realize this is probably closer to the upper percentile, but at least it gives everyone a sense of the upper bounds. On a side note, she is not an elite, nor is she a 5 star 2026. So everyone should not have to feel like either is required for this level of attention. Good form, a good gym are what I attribute it to, but that is my opinion.This is very interesting and I appreciate your sharing. I think your experience is definitely not typical and is likely reflective of what happens with the top say 20-30 recruits of a given class. What do others think?
I'm really curious about the $10-$30k NIL number. Is that per year, or over four years? It explains why the scholarships will become somewhat less relevant, or at least less crucial, over time.
One question: Do you have a sense for how many athletes the various programs are planning/hoping to support in the coming years, or how they are planning to handle the new world of up to 20 scholarship but no more than 20 spots? Will it completely vary from school to school? Does each school decide how to interpret Title IX? Or is everything completely up in the air right now?
Thank you again for sharing! I think the main reason that others are not chiming in is because very few are in the recruiting situation that your daughter is in. (As a point of reference, of the many/10+ recruitable 2025s and 2026s at my daughter's gym I know of only one who had a "home visit"/dinner with a coach. She is an elite/former national team member and had only one dinner that I know of. The rest of the recruits (most are reasonably strong L10s, multi-year national qualifiers, scoring 37s, some 38s) are not seeing anywhere near the type of interest that your daughter is seeing. It's more like phone calls, some official visits, the occasional coach visiting the gym, and an offer here and there.
My daughter is class of 2027 and I seriously can’t wait until we start this process. Listening to all the stories from her teammates parents is making me so anxious. Thank you for sharingAugust 1st started the in-person contact period, so "home visits" have started. We have had a couple already. A few things that we have learned during this stage:
One nifty trick to see where programs are targeting athletes is looking on socials and what gyms have tagged them for visiting. Especially during this time period, these visits are going to be for prospective in-home visits. That's about it for right now. Starting to plan for the official visits, which look like travel on Thursday night, and return early Sunday. Would love to hear or compare with any other experiences other 2026/2025 families are having!
- While they may be called in-home visits, they seem to be more like dinners or lunches. At least all of ours have not been at our home. Programs seem to come to watch practice and then go have dinner or lunch nearby.
- If you do have dinner or lunch, the coaches cannot pay for it so be prepared to pay your own way
- I have to admit that after intensely following college gymnastics these several years because of daughter, it is kinda neat to sit and talk with these coaches that I have only seen on TV. I know its cliche, but they are real people and very approachable.
- The dinner I believe is more for the parents, as the coaches have been talking frequently about the program already via the phone calls to the gymnast. But we learned about how to make line-ups, the practice schedules, off-season work-outs, travel during season, academic support. Some have come with audio/visual stuff like iPad and glossy binders, others just have a conversation.
- Learned that right now with the NCAA settlement, gymnastics will be allowed to increase their scholarship numbers to 20 versus the current 12 BUT it is not certain if athletic programs will support that number since its dependent on Title IX and budget constraints. This goes into effect for the 2025 season.
- Havent directly talked about NIL nor asked about it, but it has come up in conversation. The larger programs seem to guarantee anywhere from $10-30k minimum. This is in addition to scholarship and cost of attendance stipend. Not sure what the revenue sharing from the NCAA settlement will also add. I suspect specifics will be covered during official visit.
- Also, as long as you are in school you get your stipend. So if you go home for summer and don't take classes, no stipend.
It is the most stressful, exciting time ever. Looking forward to hearing your experiences!My daughter is class of 2027 and I seriously can’t wait until we start this process. Listening to all the stories from her teammates parents is making me so anxious. Thank you for sharing
Sounds like she is in a good spot even if it is stressful. It seems she is in that 2nd group of targets for schools, maybe not their top target, but someone they would like on their team. Unfortunately it is a bit of a waiting game to see which of their targets might decline officials/offers. It is perfectly within reason to respectfully ask where she sits with a school. You can either go the direct route like "how many athletes are ahead of me" or more indirect "do you have scholarship spot for me". The coaches are pretty upfront about those things.It is extremely stressful over here! We had no idea what to expect and are still playing the game. My daughter is a 2026 and didn't have calls on July 15, but did the following week. She has now had 2 calls from each school she has spoken to and its still clear as mud. I find it to put a lot of stress on these girls. No officials have been set up, but they keep chatting etc. Anyone have any experience with this? Is it a good sign that she has continued phone calls? What do you think should be her next step? Any great advise? She also has several emails going with schools that say hey keep sending up videos of your events.. one was we filled all our spots, but would you consider a walk on? She replied but hasn't hear back ( that coach was at the Olympics with his athlete). Would love your thoughts and ideas!
She has 5 plannedThanks for the detailed write up of the experience! What an exciting time for you and your daughter. My daughter is a 2028 but her gym bff is a 2026 and went on her first official visit over the weekend too and gave her a similar report.
How many visits is she planning on going on before making a decision?
Some of what you are saying is inconsistent with what we have been told by several major programs. There are two things at play here. The first, roster numbers, has been decided at the NCAA level. The second, revenue sharing, has not been determined other than the 22% number identified in the settlement. All the programs that we have talked with have said that the settlement raises the scholarship number to 20 and that all these scholarships are full scholarships. There will be NO partial scholarships. All these programs said that they advocated for 18 roster limit to help the smaller programs, but the final number landed on 20. The question now becomes if individual athletic directors will fund that number of scholarships. Football was raised to 105 and baseball went to 34, also with no more partial scholarships. So for all programs the balancing act becomes do they want to increase the men's sports scholarship numbers by X amount and have a corresponding increase in women's sports scholarships to maintain Title IX compliance? Just because the roster limit has been increased doesn't mean schools have to increase those numbers. As a matter of fact, these major programs have all said that they intend to keep their rosters at about 18 and are recruiting with this number in mind. This change is slated to go into effect in 2025, which means that some programs like LSU and Georgia will have to cut gymnasts from their roster to get to that 20 roster limit (assuming that they have the support to fund 20 scholarships).Some decisions are final already, and will greatly impact Women's NCAA Gymnastics.
Women's gymnastics has been protected as a headcount sport, but in the future all NCAA sports will be "equivalency" sports. The headcount protection led to D1 NCAA women's gymnastics teams offering 12 spots, fully funded. In the future, women's gymnastics teams can offer scholarships to 20 athletes instead of 12, but gymnastics will have to fight with other female sports at their schools for a share of the entire female-allocated Title IX financial aid pool. Applying this logic and understanding equivalency sports today, gymnastics teams will offer stars full scholarships, but most of the team will be offered partials.
Because gymnastics requires 6 athletes per event, there is little incentive to grow rosters to 20. Walk-ons increase budgets by at least $30,000 per athlete, per year. With 22% of future athletic department money being paid to athletes instead of into the athletic department budget, there is even less money in the overall pool to fund team sports. Expect fewer team retreats and less team-sponsored meditation sessions.
NCAA Women's gymnastics loses incredible amounts of money. No program (?) is profitable and many lose high 6 figures or more every year. Now that there is no headcount protection for gymnastics, it's financially smarter for colleges to fund scholarships on female teams that earn money or break even. Thinking practically, a school can choose to fund scholarships for its inexpensive female lacrosse team that wins national championships instead of its expensive women's gymnastics team that does not qualify to regionals. Unlike the past, now gymnastics, lacrosse and maybe ultimate frisbee each contribute equally to Title IX parity. Just look at what happened to Men's NCAA Gymnastics for a scary roadmap of the future.
The upcoming Revenue split is governed by Title IX, but it is unlikely to be considered "Financial Aid." For that reason, even though Revenue Share must be treated equally between men and women, the allocation may end up legitimately favoring big-name talent. Trickle down to athletes 6-12 on a gymnastics roster is unlikely.
The best path for rank-and-file athletes is either for universities to agree on a core payment system for all athletes or for the athletes to individually harness NIL to pay their tuition and extras. Universities can now facilitate NIL arrangements which does more to help NCAA rank-and-file roster athletes than star athletes. This is a loss for private sector startups, but a win for athletes.
Although it doesn't look great for gymnastics, the only way women's sports could be starved to death is if Revenue Share is allowed to be treated like wages earned. Under simple economics, if a star football player gets 5% of the Revenue Share and the entire collective of female athletes shares 5%, gymnastics will suffer. This approach is legally possible, but risks years and years of litigation. By settling, the NCAA and universities have signaled a desire to end the cycle of litigation. Each wants the other (and the Department of Labor or Congress) to set the standard, but no one is signaling they want to be the adjudicator and stick their head up to get sued. Litigation at this level easily costs $120,000 per month.
Pulling it all together, it will be difficult to earn a spot at an NCAA gymnastics team until not only the Revenue Share split standards are decided, but also until colleges look hard at their budgets to best recoup their lost 22%. I can't complain because star athletes will earn what they should have been paid all along. Rank-and-file athletes will need to do more work to get funding, but the possibilities of NIL are literally endless.