Anon Worth competing tsuk layout half twist on vault

[Anonymous (a459)]

Hi, we were wondering if it is worth competing the tsuk hakf twist if my dd doesn't yet have the full, as opposed to the tsuk layout. She is a junior elite. Thanks

 

[Pineapple_Lump]

This should be a decision made by/with the coach based on immediate/long term goals. I would assume as a junior elite the coach has other coaches/judges who can advise.

 

[Anonymous (03a2)]

Here’s a chart showing The FIG D-scores for various vaults.

https://static.usagym.org/PDFs/Women/Rules/FIGVaultvalues_words.pdf

 

[Anonymous (f4bd)]

It depends. The ones that can make that decision better are her coaches, who knows how much doing the half might make her alter her technique for the full or if it doesn't really alter it that much,.... Also the execution of the layout half:if she's piking more, bending her legs, taking more steps...or maybe she has actually less execution faults in her half. That's why the coach is the best one to make that call, as is the one that knows how your gymnast can perform the skills.

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Generally, I think you should always learn a 1/2 before a 1/1, always learn a 3/2 before a 2/1, etc. I think it's important to know where each 1/2 turn is, and be able to precisely control rotation.

HOWEVER

I don't think a tsuk 1/2 (or tsuk arabian, as I like to view it) has any real value except as a step towards a 1/1, and I've never really bothered training tsuk arabian onto competition landing. If you can do a tsuk arabian and you can do a front 1/2, then a tsuk 1/1 is easier than a tsuk 1/2 because you can see the ground the whole time, whereas a tsuk 1/2 has a blind landing.
So, super-important that an athlete at this level can do a back 1/2, front 1/2, and arabian confidently on trampoline, but not worthwhile to compete the 1/2 when the 1/1 is easier, safer, and has higher value.

So I'd probably only train the tsuk 1/2 as a tsuk arabian, and wouldn't worry about getting it competition-ready.

Side note: I think tsuk 1/1 is MUCH MUCH easier than tsuk lay. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that tsuk lay 1/1 is easier than non-twisting tsuk lay, because when done properly the 1/1 allows you to see the landing for pretty much the entire postflight.

 

[Anonymous (a459)]

Generally, I think you should always learn a 1/2 before a 1/1, always learn a 3/2 before a 2/1, etc. I think it's important to know where each 1/2 turn is, and be able to precisely control rotation.

HOWEVER

I don't think a tsuk 1/2 (or tsuk arabian, as I like to view it) has any real value except as a step towards a 1/1, and I've never really bothered training tsuk arabian onto competition landing. If you can do a tsuk arabian and you can do a front 1/2, then a tsuk 1/1 is easier than a tsuk 1/2 because you can see the ground the whole time, whereas a tsuk 1/2 has a blind landing.
So, super-important that an athlete at this level can do a back 1/2, front 1/2, and arabian confidently on trampoline, but not worthwhile to compete the 1/2 when the 1/1 is easier, safer, and has higher value.

So I'd probably only train the tsuk 1/2 as a tsuk arabian, and wouldn't worry about getting it competition-ready.

Side note: I think tsuk 1/1 is MUCH MUCH easier than tsuk lay. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that tsuk lay 1/1 is easier than non-twisting tsuk lay, because when done properly the 1/1 allows you to see the landing for pretty much the entire postflight.

This is really great advice. She wanted to compete the 1/2 mid season, and season and expects to have the full by end of season.

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

This is really great advice. She wanted to compete the 1/2 mid season, and season and expects to have the full by end of season.

Every athlete/program/coach is different and it's impossible to confidently say what the ideal choice is without being there and working with her in person, so take this with a grain of salt, but most likely if I were her coach I'd mainly focus on building the 1/1 and wouldn't bother competing the 1/2.