Coaches Gymnast mum clueless lol

[Issagymnast]

This was my thought. With the amount of times she used the word "gifted" I was expecting to see high 9's in L2. Her 8.9 score on bars tells me she isn't quite ready for L4/L5 as the OP is saying. I feel like we're being taken for a ride.

@TumbleTwist..... Not a ride......you wanted to be on let me tell you! That comp they had no practice on bars and she nearly slid off. It was a terrible coaching problem (i.e.., not enough coaches presumably to save our gym $$$$ and they sent young inexperienced coaches ) and at age 7 they were basically on their own at a meet because their coach left to go help older level gymnasts! We as parents were in shock and horrified but there was nothing we could do in the stands. We voiced our concern to gym after the fact. She won though basically being her own coach and helping her other level 2s! Even the coaches apologized to us after the meet. Parents stop attacking us and understand so much happens in comps and at gymnastics in general. This was our first comp season and we couldn't believe it. @TumbleTwist Please don't be that nasty gym parent we all avoid like the plague!

 

[Issagymnast]

I totally get how you feel, because I felt that way a lot when my daughter first started in gymnastics. You see your kid, you see that they have talent, you see that they have skills beyond their current competitive level, and you wonder: why are they being held back? Why aren't they advancing faster? Why aren't these coaches picking up on the things I see?

What I have learned in the interim (my daughter is now training level 9) is that not only do your coaches see what you see, they know best what she is capable of AND (most importantly) they know how to get her to her full potential. Gymnastics is a slow build sport, in which things like form, shaping, mechanics, strength, flexibility, timing and air-sense all play vital roles. And building these skills to a high level takes time... these foundational skills are front-loaded into the early compulsory years so that when the athletes hit optionals and start doing bigger skills, they can do them safely, consistently, and successfully. It's also very typical to compete below your full skill-set, since it is safer and less taxing on the athlete as whole.

You'll hear "trust your coaches" a lot on this site, and in this context, it means: they know what they're doing; even if it looks like things aren't moving or things aren't happening, your daughter is learning the finer points of this sport so that when she hits higher levels and the training wheels come off, she can fly in ways that will blow you away.

Thank you, understood!

 

[Issagymnast]

It’s hard to know what’s going on at a gym without being local to it, but I see some red flags at your gym based on recent results. You said they are focusing on taking girls level by level, but their scores all the way through states looks like those of gyms that rush girls through compulsories without getting solid skills on certain apparatuses and/or gyms where girls aren’t properly prepared and are falling far more than is typical. I don’t know which it is, but that combined with everything else you’re saying makes me nervous.

Take your time and look around for other options for your daughter. Competing two meets at level 2 is just step 1 (or maybe step 0) of a long compulsory journey, nevermind the rest. DP compulsory progressions exist for a reason when done right. Find a gym that focuses on strength and shapes. Take dance classes outside of gym if it isn’t included in training. Get all of those things down cold before worrying about what level uptraining you think should be happening.

PS You might want to ask to change your username and edit your post to take out the results so you can be a bit more anonymous.

Thank you. Makes sense.

 

[Issagymnast]

A large walkout is a major . All signs point to this not being a gym where your daughter can reach her potential. If you need a private coach, then you need a new gym!

Also, getting coaching outside your gym is a major faux pas in the gymnastics world and is grounds to kick a kid off team. I’m skeptical about this “private” coach. Perhaps you’ve found someone on the banned list who is trying to get around The restrictions. Do not leave your child alone with this person, it sounds questionable.

Thank you. All valuable information.

 

[TumbleTwist]

@TumbleTwist..... Not a ride......you wanted to be on let me tell you! That comp they had no practice on bars and she nearly slid off. It was a terrible coaching problem (i.e.., not enough coaches presumably to save our gym $$$$ and they sent young inexperienced coaches ) and at age 7 they were basically on their own at a meet because their coach left to go help older level gymnasts! We as parents were in shock and horrified but there was nothing we could do in the stands. We voiced our concern to gym after the fact. She won though basically being her own coach and helping her other level 2s! Even the coaches apologized to us after the meet. Parents stop attacking us and understand so much happens in comps and at gymnastics in general. This was our first comp season and we couldn't believe it. @TumbleTwist Please don't be that nasty gym parent we all avoid like the plague!

If that was the case, I would have left that gym as soon as her level 2 season was over. I personally would be focusing less on finding a gym that trains elite, and more of finding a gym with a solid compulsory and optionals program. Gymnastics is a long journey. Focus on where she's at in her journey right now. If she truly has elite potential, she will find her way.

 

[Issagymnast]

I completely agree Elite will find her just like gymnastics found her!!! I will give the gym another chance and hope and pray it doesnt happen again! Certainly an eye opener. The gym is convenient for me given its location. I have heard that gyms often send less coaches to save money and budget but for meets this seems to be a big problem especially for younger levels. The gym answered us by basically saying it is like this sometimes which didnt comfort us by any means.

If that was the case, I would have left that gym as soon as her level 2 season was over. I personally would be focusing less on finding a gym that trains elite, and more of finding a gym with a solid compulsory and optionals program. Gymnastics is a long journey. Focus on where she's at in her journey right now. If she truly has elite potential, she will find her way.

 

[TumbleTwist]

I completely agree Elite will find her just like gymnastics found her!!! I will give the gym another chance and hope and pray it doesnt happen again! Certainly an eye opener. The gym is convenient for me given its location. I have heard that gyms often send less coaches to save money and budget but for meets this seems to be a big problem especially for younger levels. The gym answered us by basically saying it is like this sometimes which didnt comfort us by any means.

I completely agree Elite will find her just like gymnastics found her!!! I will give the gym another chance and hope and pray it doesnt happen again! Certainly an eye opener. The gym is convenient for me given its location. I have heard that gyms often send less coaches to save money and budget but for meets this seems to be a big problem especially for younger levels. The gym answered us by basically saying it is like this sometimes which didnt comfort us by any means.

I understand the convenience of location, but please don't stay for that reason. How are practices run? Are the compulsory levels being coached by experienced coaches with a lot of focus on good form? Practicing skills for the next levels should definitely be a part of training, but good form on level 3 skiils is more important. Are practices structured so that there isn't a lot of standing around? Have you asked them if they will have enough coaches to send to meets? You have a right to have clear answers to these questions. If they give you vague answers, I would be finding another gym, because chances are you're in for the same experience this year.

I would start looking at other gyms. Even just to drop in and observe how practices are run at different gyms. Start doing some research.

 

[Issagymnast]

After reading your original post and though the thread, I had a few thoughts. I have decades of experience in this sport and have 3 gymnasts. I wanted to try to help you out with a few answers.

1. This isn't like school, you do not get daily, weekly, monthly reports on your daughter's progress. She trains and they coach, and unless there is an issue, they do not need to meet with you. If they identify her as gifted and elite material, they will usually pull you aside and talk to you about that path, not the other way around.

2. Coaches and owners are bombarded with parents who think their child is gifted, or should be pushed, or should skip levels, etc. They are often vague to avoid hurting feelings, and they usually know how to train the kids better than the parents do, especially new gymnast's parents. We see the Olympics and we see the glamour and fame, but we don't see the years and years of hard work and training that started with compulsory levels. The early years are VERY important to the optional years.

3. Winning level 2 is wonderful, but it's not an indicator of the future. Each level has challenges and each level builds on the level before it. Skipping levels is not always the best course, even when they are gifted. I know many level 7, 8, and 9 gymnasts who were scoring 38 AA and even 39AA at levels 6 and 7 and 8, who were allowed to score out of the next level and move up, and many of them ended up quitting, injured, or repeating the level they skipped to. (Not all of them, but many of them). It's a special kid that is able to skip levels and move quickly and maintain their ability, drive, and winning. Even the ones that are amazing often have a period of frustration and struggle, so keep that in mind when you are trying to find a place that will skip your kid or move her as fast as you want her to move. Remember that for the most part, the coaches do know what is best for your daughter. You do not want to push her into over-training, injuries, and burn-out which are all very real things.

4. Be careful going outside of your gym and finding someone who will be your "yes man" and agree to train your kid without the blessing or knowledge of her gym. They may just be seeing $$$ and will gladly take your money and do your bidding. Most gyms frown on getting outside coaches to train your daughter unless it's a mutual agreement. You don't want to get a reputation in the gym world as "that mom."

A new gym doesn't mean they are green and clueless. Let your daughter enjoy success and build her confidence, she has plenty of time to reach the highest levels. The Las Vegas meet is a regular invitational, it's not any kind of international championship or anything. Most meets, even the biggest ones, are invitationals that anyone is allowed to enter. I haven't looked up her scores, but is she regularly scoring 38 or 39 AA at level 2? Even if she is, it doesn't translate to success at higher levels, believe me. I've seen many a fantastic and undefeated high-scoring level 2, 3, 4.... move to higher levels and then experience struggles due to growth, harder and scarier skills, and having to work hard and long hours that caused them much grief, anxiety, burn-out, and many eventually retiring.
Slow down, mom. If you want to try other gyms, that's ok, but don't expect suddenly having your daughter training really high skills without first getting solid basics, something that takes time and lots of conditioning and training the same things over and over and over.
Sorry about the book!

great advice. thank you

 

[3rd_time_around]

“They cant tell me to leave as it’s a business after all. Thank you for your advice, it’s a business after all. “

They can, they do, and they will. Gymnasts get asked to leave all the time for many reasons, especially if the parent doesn’t trust the gym, believe in their program, or gets outside coaching without permission. You need to know this really happens.

 

[AnotherGymDad]

This thread started back in August and I hit the popcorn every time it drifts back across the "new posts" list and now that it's nearly December I'm kind of fascinated to find out how things turned out.

 

[Carly]

They can, they do, and they will. Gymnasts get asked to leave all the time for many reasons, especially if the parent doesn’t trust the gym, believe in their program, or gets outside coaching without permission. You need to know this really happens.

Yes, it definitely does. Happened at my kid's gym to someone who violated one of the policies in the handbook.

 

[TumbleTwist]

Yes, it definitely does. Happened at my kid's gym to someone who violated one of the policies in the handbook.

Yeah I was confused by her statement that they can't tell her to leave because it's a business.

 

[AnotherGymDad]

Yeah I was confused by her statement that they can't tell her to leave because it's a business.

The terms and conditions section of the policies page on the website of the OP's easily-identifiable gym even says "We reserve the right to refuse service."

 

[3rd_time_around]

If that was the case, I would have left that gym as soon as her level 2 season was over. I personally would be focusing less on finding a gym that trains elite, and more of finding a gym with a solid compulsory and optionals program. Gymnastics is a long journey. Focus on where she's at in her journey right now. If she truly has elite potential, she will find her way.

If this were the case, the meet director would have been in a sanction violation. No team can warm up or compete without a coach present. Judges even wait until the coach is ready before saluting the first gymnast in the squad. I find this story hard to believe because I've been around long enough to know better than a level 2 team was left to coach themselves, even if it were just warm up, especially on bars.

 

[JustAnotherGymDad]

Why do I want to be anonymous? What is DD? How do you know if gym provides opportunities for NCAA? Im Australian btw thus spelling! I just made a new post as suggested asking for Elite gyms.

What state are you in? I'm in Melbourne but my daughter has competed for many years so I'm aware of what gyms have high-performance programs etc in Australia.

Also, regarding your daughter, it is very hard to tell how kids will progress as they get older. Kids for the most part have talent who get pulled into squads and honestly, some are just there to make up the numbers and help pay the gyms bills, it is a business at the end of the day. Seen kids dominate at age 11 then next season they are middle of the pack as fear kicks in as the skills get a lot harder and scarier. Best thing to do is get into a good gym with a proven track record of producing international level athletes.

 

[USmominHK]

I’m re-reading this based on the posts of the OP being Australian. Others have said they’ve identified the gym, it’s unclear to me if the OP is in Australia or not. If so, I want to offer a different perspective. Hong Kong used the Australian levels program. In my view, skills wise, there’s not a huge difference between L3 and L4 but a huge difference in terms of skills required to go into L5. We see occasional moves from strong 2s into L4s. Results vary and there can be so many different factors. If this is the case, I would also add that skills aren’t everything worth considering. L2 floor doesn't have music so moving from movement only to being synchronized with the beat can be a challenge.

Regardless of where you are, also look at the age of the other girls as well. Is your daughter social? If she were to skip, would she be younger than her peer group? Would she make friends or be resented? There are a lot of factors to consider across physical, mental, and emotional lines.

 

[charsgymnastics]

I’m re-reading this based on the posts of the OP being Australian. Others have said they’ve identified the gym, it’s unclear to me if the OP is in Australia or not. If so, I want to offer a different perspective. Hong Kong used the Australian levels program. In my view, skills wise, there’s not a huge difference between L3 and L4 but a huge difference in terms of skills required to go into L5. We see occasional moves from strong 2s into L4s. Results vary and there can be so many different factors. If this is the case, I would also add that skills aren’t everything worth considering. L2 floor doesn't have music so moving from movement only to being synchronized with the beat can be a challenge.

Regardless of where you are, also look at the age of the other girls as well. Is your daughter social? If she were to skip, would she be younger than her peer group? Would she make friends or be resented? There are a lot of factors to consider across physical, mental, and emotional lines.

from the meet results shes posting the origin of the meet is in Las Vegas, Nevada.