Women P&Gs 2017!

[CoachMeg]

It wouldn't make sense to need 2 vaults to qualify for AA. You just need to be able to compete on every apparatus to qualify for AA. To be a vault specialist, you need two different vaults. It makes sense.

 

[mandkmom]

Jordan said in an aftermeet interview she is training a 2nd vault.

 

[mandkmom]

And Jordan is my new favorite. She has personality, difficulty, and can make up a new skill on the fly.

Reagan is ok. But just not that fun to watch- same with Riley. I enjoyed all of the other gymnasts more overall. Show me something beyond the expected (and down with the wolf turns!) and I'm happy.

 

[3rd_time_around]

It wouldn't make sense to need 2 vaults to qualify for AA. You just need to be able to compete on every apparatus to qualify for AA. To be a vault specialist, you need two different vaults. It makes sense.

Yes, to be a vault specialist. It is still a double standard. To get a vault medal you need 2 vaults, but to be the AA champion or top 3, you only need 1 vault? The AA champion should be expected to have 2 vaults because they are supposed to be the best. I just think the gymnasts that work incredibly hard to have a top vault with a decent score still deserve some recognition.

 

[ayyyrial]

I do think it's weird that anyone competing all-around is automatically eligible for all event medals except vault. A lot of great gymnasts and great vaulters never wind up competing two vaults (e.g. Biles), so I would guess the cost of all that time and energy training a second vault is pretty high. Especially since vault can be very hard on feet, knees, and ankles. Requiring all-arounders to do two vaults would also get way more women training and competing a non-Yurchenko vault - I wonder what those vaults would look like and how that would affect placements. I'd imagine it would be a slight increase in relative scores for taller, more powerful gymnasts who would be able to show a good Tsuk/Kaz or hand front.

 

[Jard.the.gymnast]

Hey chalk bucket mods - you should make a live chat thing (like on most live youtube streams, but by chalkbucket)

There is a chat in the app

 

[bookworm]

Yes, to be a vault specialist. It is still a double standard. To get a vault medal you need 2 vaults, but to be the AA champion or top 3, you only need 1 vault? The AA champion should be expected to have 2 vaults because they are supposed to be the best. I just think the gymnasts that work incredibly hard to have a top vault with a decent score still deserve some recognition.

But Carey would be ineligible for an AA medal because she doesn't compete bars ...so with this line of reasoning, there is no AA champion

 

[CoachMeg]

I do think it's weird that anyone competing all-around is automatically eligible for all event medals except vault. A lot of great gymnasts and great vaulters never wind up competing two vaults (e.g. Biles)

Biles did compete two vaults.

 

[Flyaway]

Putting myself out here a bit: I think McCusker is a beautiful gymnast, and there's definitely a lot of hype surrounding her, but honestly, has she ever HIT a competition? Like, 4 for 4? I feel like I haven't seen her really live up to the hype yet. I know there's time, and if the goal is to peak in 2020, I get it. I don't know, she just always appears stressed to me.

 

[bookworm]

Putting myself out here a bit: I think McCusker is a beautiful gymnast, and there's definitely a lot of hype surrounding her, but honestly, has she ever HIT a competition? Like, 4 for 4? I feel like I haven't seen her really live up to the hype yet. I know there's time, and if the goal is to peak in 2020, I get it. I don't know, she just always appears stressed to me.

We competed with her many times and she was always a bag of nerves, as was the mom in the stands so the way she is at the elite level doesn't surprise me, or my kids, at all as that's how she always competed. And even back in the day, she'd hit 3 events big and have a mishap on the 4th and it was usually enough for her to still score well in the AA. She moved around a bit in a few gyms before making the leap to MG Elite, which on the whole , has seemed to work out for her.

One of my worries with her long term is that she's seems pretty frail and has had a few injuries already so I wonder if she'll last until 2020 or be like some other elites who, while lovely to watch, were too injured to be players when the Olympics rolled around...and yes, I'm looking at you , Bailey Key

 

[CoachMeg]

@bookworm...I agree. She does seem really frail. I can't understand for the life of me why Maggie has her doing so many double saltos on floor. She seems like she'd be a much better twister. She looks so slow during all the saltos and frequently lands short...looks like an injury waiting to happen.

She is a great bar/beam kid...but I really think she's going to get passed up quick in the AA by the time Tokyo comes around (already is). Especially with all these up and coming juniors. I think there is too much hype around her. She's a beautiful gymnast...but she's certainly no powerhouse.

 

[bookworm]

@bookworm...I agree. She does seem really frail. I can't understand for the life of me why Maggie has her doing so many double saltos on floor. She seems like she'd be a much better twister. She looks so slow during all the saltos and frequently lands short...looks like an injury waiting to happen.

She is a great bar/beam kid...but I really think she's going to get passed up quick in the AA by the time Tokyo comes around (already is). Especially with all these up and coming juniors. I think there is too much hype around her. She's a beautiful gymnast...but she's certainly no powerhouse.

Exactly my thoughts! Especially where she competed a yurchenko full this weekend I figured it was because she had been injured. But basically either the full or the fall on the floor ( or whatever it was) allowed Chiles to beat her for second. And I agree , she seems to be a slow flipper on the floor...her body type, a la Nastia back in the day, looks better suited to twisting.

And can we talk about Maggie's love of the tkatchev ...piked, toe on piked, stalder...I get it, she loves the Tkatchev but how about a Comaneci or a Hindorf for variety? Heck, even a Yaeger

 

[amiandjim]

I'm not sure any of the current seniors will make it to Tokyo...the juniors are just SO GOOD! At lot can happen between now and then, of course, but I think in the next couple years the current juniors will be the stars.

 

[amiandjim]

Exactly my thoughts! Especially where she competed a yurchenko full this weekend I figured it was because she had been injured. But basically either the full or the fall on the floor ( or whatever it was) allowed Chiles to beat her for second. And I agree , she seems to be a slow flipper on the floor...her body type, a la Nastia back in the day, looks better suited to twisting.

And can we talk about Maggie's love of the tkatchev ...piked, toe on piked, stalder...I get it, she loves the Tkatchev but how about a Comaneci or a Hindorf for variety? Heck, even a Yaeger

Seriously....too many tkatchevs!!!

 

[Vivianflips]

I think they should award bonus points to people for not doing a wolf turn on beam/floor Seriously, I'm getting very tired of watching poorly executed wolf turns. (I know some people do have very good wolf turns though)

 

[Flyaway]

@bookworm

She is a great bar/beam kid...but I really think she's going to get passed up quick in the AA by the time Tokyo comes around (already is). Especially with all these up and coming juniors. I think there is too much hype around her. She's a beautiful gymnast...but she's certainly no powerhouse.

OK, thank you for completely validating my thoughts!

 

[Gymmom0403]

I think they should award bonus points to people for not doing a wolf turn on beam/floor Seriously, I'm getting very tired of watching poorly executed wolf turns. (I know some people do have very good wolf turns though)

Or doing two wolf turns in a row. Just stop please

 

[Sasha]

Why is the Wolf Turn suddenly in everyone's routine these past couple years (or multiple times in a routine - Aaack!)?

Is it over-valued point-wise compared to other kinds of turns? What other skills does it compare to (point value wise)?

I don't care if it is executed "well" - it is a ridiculous-looking move. So random and out of place in otherwise lovely routines.

Like, "Hey, I'm dancing, jumping, beautiful music and tumbling.. la le la.. hey hold on - wanna see my impression of a dying helicopter? Wheee! I'm a dying helicopter missing a blade - see me awkwardly rotate all unstable-like until I finally come to a jerky stop - tada! Oh, you want to see it again?? Sure! Here's another one! Blurb blurb blup putt phft duh. Tada! Ok, back to my beautiful dance routine. Just had to get that out of my system."

Seriously that's what I think every time.

 

[amiandjim]

I think the deductions are capped at 0.3 for the wolf turn? At least, that's what I have read

 

[FlippinLilysMom]

My DDs new beam routine mount is a shoot through into a wolf turn...I am so not happy about it!! She hasn't yet been able to successfully complete the wolf turn without falling, so I'm secretly hoping that it will get changed before the season begins. Just so happy she doesn't have one in her floor routine!!