WAG Tips on Training the Full In

[DP gymnast mom]

Does anyone have experience training or coaching the full in? My DD is training it now seriously with the hopes of getting it on floor by March for season and had been struggling.

 

[bookworm]

Can’t her coach help her? Is she training herself?

 

[RTT2]

Crowdsourcing for tips on getting a Kip are one thing, but I’m a little confused on asking parents for advice for an elite training kid working on a full in. If her coaches can’t help she should probably change gyms.

 

[DP gymnast mom]

Of course she has a coach. We live over seas now. I have 3 gymnast daughters in the sport. 8,12, 14. My 12 year old made junior elite here and she has a coach but they also bring over Eastern European Olympic coaches for training camps throughout the year, who are more knowledgeable. The goal for next year is European championships which she has a good chance. The issue is that the day to day coach isnt as saavy with some of the skills that she trains with the Eastern European coaches that come over periodically for training camps. It's s a bit of a challenge. Therefore she often asks me if anyone on chalkbucket has a tip. So my question was very innocent. I really value the feedback on chalkbucket.

 

[Pineapple_Lump]

That makes a little more sense. The day to day coach should be finding/ consulting a mentor coach (national team coach) and using video and discussion to enhance their knowledge while helping your child with progress.

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

So I generally favor a full-out or a half-half over a full-in, because the landing is much easier and the takeoff is less likely to be rushed. That said, here's how I'd go about a full-in:

First thing's first: if she doesn't have a way to tumble into a pit, she shouldn't train a full-in. It's not worth the risk without a pit.

Anyway, she should be able to do an open tucked double back with ease. That is, double back without grabbing the knees, hips bent at 90 degrees or less. She should be able to spot the ground at the end of both flips.

Second, a big high full to land on the back on a stack of mats, the higher the better. The goal is that she should still be rising when she finishes the full.

Third, go for it. Into a pit, then onto a mat in the pit, then onto a higher stiffer mat in the pit, etc.

 

[DP gymnast mom]

So I generally favor a full-out or a half-half over a full-in, because the landing is much easier and the takeoff is less likely to be rushed. That said, here's how I'd go about a full-in:

First thing's first: if she doesn't have a way to tumble into a pit, she shouldn't train a full-in. It's not worth the risk without a pit.

Anyway, she should be able to do an open tucked double back with ease. That is, double back without grabbing the knees, hips bent at 90 degrees or less. She should be able to spot the ground at the end of both flips.

Second, a big high full to land on the back on a stack of mats, the higher the better. The goal is that she should still be rising when she finishes the full.

Third, go for it. Into a pit, then onto a mat in the pit, then onto a higher stiffer mat in the pit, etc.

This is great. Thank you! Currently she is working on the second stage that you mentioned, high full to land on back as well as working into the pit. When she does them into the pit she still gets a bit lost on it on the air. This is very helpful!

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

This is great. Thank you! Currently she is working on the second stage that you mentioned, high full to land on back as well as working into the pit. When she does them into the pit she still gets a bit lost on it on the air. This is very helpful!

Well, getting lost in the air is why I tend to shy away from full-ins in favor a full-outs or half-halfs. On a full out or half-half, you can see the ground for the entire second flip; in a full-in, you can see it for the entire first flip (in theory), but then you lose it for much of the second flip. Were I her coach, there's a strong chance I'd want to abandon the full-in in favor of a half-half.

At any rate, orientation-wise it really is a full and then the second half of a double back. She should see the floor for the entire first flip, and for the last third or so of the second flip.

EDIT: If you have a trampoline/tumbletrak/mini tramp next to the pit (or if she's very confident on trampoline with a mat thrown in), front 1/2-in will likely be helpful.