Women Bar routine deductions

[zoe<3]

Hi im a first year platinum and have been receiving super low scores on bars! I was possibly wondering what the deductions could be

One major deduction i know of is my flyaway. But other then that im not really sure what else to fix please tell me things I could improve on and if you can give drills that might help!
Thanks so much

(Sorry I had to put the routine in two parts the file was to large to be uploaded all as one video)

 

[Pricess_leia]

Take my corrections with a grain of salt, since I am neither a coach nor a judge. And please other people correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that every time you do an extra swing even just your legs it is a .2 deduction. I think I saw 3 or 4 of these. A few other things I saw were not fully extending on your kip, general rhythm deductions, slightly low clear hip, and a couple bent arms. Hope that helps!

 

[Gymgirl84]

It is the pauses after every kip mostly, also probably the angles in the casts and the free hip. Those are certainly the most costly, then there are some minor ones, but not stopping after kips could give you at least 1.0 more.

 

[3rd_time_around]

Hi im a first year platinum and have been receiving super low scores on bars! I was possibly wondering what the deductions could be

One major deduction i know of is my flyaway. But other then that im not really sure what else to fix please tell me things I could improve on and if you can give drills that might help!
Thanks so much

(Sorry I had to put the routine in two parts the file was to large to be uploaded all as one video)
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You have 3 extra swings (2 on the low bar and one on the high bar) at .8 total; neither of your casts go above horizontal and neither does the clear hip, so your start value is 9.5. You have .4 in cast amplitude deductions, and bent arms in your kips (up to .3 each, but probably .1 each). I also count only 5 As and 1 B, so your start value is now a 9.4 (missing an A and missing special requirement #1). Landed with your chest down (.2-.3) and took 1 step (.1). Does that help?

 

[Pineapple_Lump]

Curious, because I don't know these rules...

Would it be more advantages to leave the clear hip out of the routine?
Would it be better for scoring purposes to construct a routine with only one kip?

 

[Coach Kate]

Curious, because I don't know these rules...

Would it be more advantages to leave the clear hip out of the routine?
Would it be better for scoring purposes to construct a routine with only one kip?

There are actually some good options in your questions!

Without a B skill (clear hip), the start value is lowered. We've had an athlete or two do this because they truly couldn't do one worth doing and/or kip out of it.

Another option would be to do the clear hip on the high bar and come out of the clear hip directly into the flyaway. Again, I've seen it done.

There some composition changes that could be made but ultimately getting that kip cast down is so important long term that it is advantageous to figure that out.

 

[XcelGirl]

Not a parent or judge, but overall I would give it a 7.8-8/3
Rhythm deductions and extra swings are your enemy here.

 

[zoe<3]

You have 3 extra swings (2 on the low bar and one on the high bar) at .8 total; neither of your casts go above horizontal and neither does the clear hip, so your start value is 9.5. You have .4 in cast amplitude deductions, and bent arms in your kips (up to .3 each, but probably .1 each). I also count only 5 As and 1 B, so your start value is now a 9.4 (missing an A and missing special requirement #1). Landed with your chest down (.2-.3) and took 1 step (.1). Does that help?

YES thanks a lot!

 

[zoe<3]

There are actually some good options in your questions!

Without a B skill (clear hip), the start value is lowered. We've had an athlete or two do this because they truly couldn't do one worth doing and/or kip out of it.

Another option would be to do the clear hip on the high bar and come out of the clear hip directly into the flyaway. Again, I've seen it done.

There some composition changes that could be made but ultimately getting that kip cast down is so important long term that it is advantageous to figure that out.

Thanks so much i well for sure be doing the drills you gave me!

 

[zoe<3]

Not a parent or judge, but overall I would give it a 7.8-8/3
Rhythm deductions and extra swings are your enemy here.

Okay! I for sure think the judge over scored my routine!

 

[raenndrops]

Here is the routine as I saw it (with pausing and multiple replays):
kip - cast - cast - cast (slight pause) - cast horizontal (or slightly above) - clear hip horizontal - kip - cast - cast squat on - high bar kip - cast - straddle cast - flyaway w/flexed feet - right step - left step.

I count 5 extra swings

A lot of people have given good feedback. For the steps, if you had brought the right foot back instead of stepping with the left foot to bring them together, then you would have had one less mediumish step.

 

[Gymnast_13]

You pause after the kips and also you have extra casts/swings. And obviously the flyaway and then your casts aren't above horizontal and neither is your clear hip. And the your arms were bent a bit in the kip and your legs bent for a teeeeny bit

 

[HopefulGymnast]

I'm a bit late to the party here, but I'm gonna weigh in too.
I an certified but fully inexperienced as a judge in another system. I don't know how much of a deduction things are in american xcel/dp. I am not a coach. But if I see things correctly.

Main deduction: as everyone is saying, the double casts. Other than that I see smaller form issues, Some slight arching before your hip circle. Some major arching and piking of the hips in your cast before flyaway, some form in your flyaway.

Main focus points
Kip: You don't really get your shoulders and wrists properly over the bar. This is because of the rest of the kip having issues.
- It looks like you don't bring your feet entirely to the bar. It's more halfway down your shins than at your feet, and they're not that close to the bar. There's quite a gap between your shins and the bar when you start the kipping (pull on pants) motion. This is by far the most important point of improvement I think!
- your glide swing ends with an arched back (you look straight but that's because you also have an angle in your hip). this might make it hard to pull your legs up powerfully. (see previous point)
- Personally, I also find it more difficult to do a good glide kip with a non arched back if my feet start so high. You lift them very high very early, then stretch out. I do see other gymnasts do that successfully, so it's not wrong, but I'd think it's easier to glide along the floor rather than going high-low.

High bar cast:
- My coaches recommend not doing the spread version, but learning to do the closed version with such a curved hollow body position that you can fit between the bars. I'm 5'5"/1.65 btw. I really struggle with this too. Having a good tense hollow body shape rather than an arched back would also help get you extra height on your flyaway, whether you do it straddled or closed.