WAG Bent knees in Giant tap - Deduction?

[gympoppop]

Hi Folks,

My daughter is in level 7 and strongly encouraged to use the FIG bar settings. To not hit her feet on the low bar, she has started to bend her knees and tapping right as she is passing over the low bar. I had thought this is likely a big deduction, but now I’m reading that this is known as a “Russian tap swing”. I found some videos of gold medal Olympian’s on bars like Mustafina and Komova which I can also post where they bend their knees quite severely as they tap over the low bar so now I’m thinking this may now be a deduction. In the attached gif of my daughter’s giants, is there a deduction for bending her knees in USAG scoring and would these be considered relatively clean giants?

Thanks!

 

[Kingbarrelrolll.ttv]

Deductions are between 0.1 - 0.3 tenths (depending on how big the bend is)

 

[gympoppop]

Thanks for the info! I guess I’m a bit surprised it is a deduction though because when I look at Komova’s giants in her gold medal Olympic bar routine (at 41 seconds) her knees are incredibly bent. Was she taking a deduction or is the code of points different between FIG and USAG on this skill?

 

[Kingbarrelrolll.ttv]

it would be best to see from a different perspective, because from this angle yes it is bent and she will incur the deductions. However from a different point of view it will show something different.

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[Gymgirl84]

They do get deducted in FIG codes said 0.1 to 0.3. I don't know about JO code. The thing is some of these gymnasts in FIG have very high d-scores that might give them that little allowance to lose 0.1 or 0.3 in their giant and still score very well. Also most FIG routines score in the 8's and many in the 7's in execution, so an 0.1-0.3 is not that big of a deduction. However in a 10-scoring system, like JO were most scores are around 9 and the top routines are scoring over 9.5 it will have more impact.

 

[Pineapple_Lump]

They do get deducted in FIG codes said 0.1 to 0.3. I don't know about JO code. The thing is some of these gymnasts in FIG have very high d-scores that might give them that little allowance to lose 0.1 or 0.3 in their giant and still score very well. Also most FIG routines score in the 8's and many in the 7's in execution, so an 0.1-0.3 is not that big of a deduction. However in a 10-scoring system, like JO were most scores are around 9 and the top routines are scoring over 9.5 it will have more impact.

It's up to .1/.3/.5 for knee bend so for the OP this the same as the the deductions for not finishing many skills in handstand - something that Komova generally avoided coupled with high difficulty, she has room to absorb the built in knee bend deduction.

Thanks for the info! I guess I’m a bit surprised it is a deduction though because when I look at Komova’s giants in her gold medal Olympic bar routine

She was second AA and 5th in the bar final - Here is the finals routine where the legs appear straighter but she was likely trying a bit harder in the final to correct this and made a costly error as a result.

 

[gympoppop]

Oops, sorry! I was mixing up Komova and Mustafina, who won the Olympic gold in 2012 and 2016 using the same bent leg tap technique when doing giants (see below freezing frame at 24 seconds). I'm just really surprised that these Russian gymnasts would intentionally be using a technique on such a simple skill that they know is going to receive deductions every time they do their dismounts.