Lol, J got the kip and giants fairly quickly ON THE LOW BAR! She was a fraidy cat on high bar. Took months 4 her to get Giants up there. She struggled briefly with high bar kip, but I think that was bc she could barely jump to high bar or was afraid of jumping, who knows. Front Giants and other circles are her current nemesis! However, in regards to the original post, J had kip before she ever competed old L4 and MONTHS before that blasted mill circle! I'm not sure she could do a mill circle today, 3.5 years later!!