Women How get the pike out of the back layout?

[htimcj]

So DD is doing RO BHS BLO and she gets around ok and has good height but the landing is some what piked. What do you do to fix this? I have no intention of coaching her or helping her myself. I am just curious. I don't really know the mechanics of this skill. I am thinking that perhaps she rotates too slow?

 

[Gymmom495]

I'm curious what coaches have to say too as my daughter is doing the same thing. I did notice her coaches correcting her on it today but just want to see what people say.

 

[Deleted member D3987]

video please?

 

[htimcj]

video please?

I'll take one when she is out again.

 

[Gymmom495]

I'll get one too

 

[Deleted member D3987]

i'll be waiting.

 

[gymcritter]

My DD is piking down out of her full twist and her 1.5 twist.. any ideas??

 

[Deleted member D3987]

video.........

 

[htimcj]

Grr having trouble getting video off my phone. Will try again at home tonight.

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Here's one of my favorite drills for this: Alyssa Moore’s tight body drill, and variations thereof | Apex Technical Corner

Obviously, this is aimed at coaches, not parents

 

[htimcj]

^^^ Thanks. Very interesting!
OK here is the video. This is one of her first attempts and hasn't improved too much since but she had a forced 2 1/2 week break.
[video=youtube_share;EE2xyN6w260]http://youtu.be/EE2xyN6w260[/video]

Roudoff Backhand spring Back Layout - YouTube

 

[iwannacoach]

Take your time, get a chance to take a video with a better camera and put up a link to that one. I can see the problem and can guess what the cause is, but the "shot" is from such a distance it's hard to speak beyond generalities.

It wasn't "a beaut," but hey, it wasn't all that bad for an almost first attempt, and you can tell her that her "layout" looks better than your "video."

 

[CoachTodd]

Looks like she's arching on take off and not quite finishing her set. If you pause the video during the flip, you'll see the arch is still there with the rear end sticking out.
Basically I'd say think "tall" on the set and squeeze the backside. See if that helps any.

 

[stargazer]

Something that has really helped me improve my layouts is to think about lifting my hips (squeezing my bum also) and setting up with my arms as hard as I can. It looks like she's arching and setting backwards instead of upwards, and the lack of hip lift is forcing her to pike in order to get her legs around at the end. That said, it's a decent back layout so kudos to her for doing that after being off for two and a half weeks!

 

[Deleted member D3987]

Looks like she's arching on take off and not quite finishing her set. If you pause the video during the flip, you'll see the arch is still there with the rear end sticking out.
Basically I'd say think "tall" on the set and squeeze the backside. See if that helps any.

yep, basically this ^^^. she is throwing her head back instead of maintaining the head in a neutral position. once you throw the head you become like an elastic ruler.

 

[htimcj]

Thank you for the replies! I can see how the set up can cause problems. She forgets to set her arms sometimes when she does her back tuck pass as well. I will try to get a better video I was standing at the door with my phone I thought it was pretty nice attempt too. I think she is well on her way to getting a very nice layout I just don't really know what I am looking at with these new skills.