Parents How many L10 girls graduate from U.S. high schools every year?

[gymgal]

Do you think that number is just WAG or does it also include MAG level 10s?? It seems like a huge number to me too.

Good point.

 

[wolf_turn_on_uneven_bars]

Do you think that number is just WAG or does it also include MAG level 10s?? It seems like a huge number to me too.

I tried to be clear that I was asking only about girls, both in the subject line and the body of the email.

 

[wandrewsjr]

Whoa! That's a huge jump from 2011 numbers of 1700

USAG didn’t used to track levels as well, competition level wasn’t matched to registration level. This was before meet directors downloaded info from USAG, we just went by what rosters coaches sent us. Coaches could go in and renew an atheletes membearship without updating the level. That could be part of the discrepency If those numbers are USAG membership level numbers.

 

[wolf_turn_on_uneven_bars]

USAG confirmed that number was women only.

 

[Muddlethru]

These statistics were posted in 2009.

I pulled up all the Level 10 state meets in 2019 and plugged it into an excel program to count all the rows. I did a random check on accuracy and the total number of L10 gymnasts that competed and/or registered (inclusive of those who did not compete but names were listed or partially competed) is 1,935.

Not sure what the 2,900+ USAGA figure includes but it seems hard to believe that there is another 1,000 Level 10 gymnasts unaccounted for,

 

[FlippinLilysMom]

These statistics were posted in 2009.

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I pulled up all the Level 10 state meets in 2019 and plugged it into an excel program to count all the rows. I did a random check on accuracy and the total number of L10 gymnasts that competed and/or registered (inclusive of those who did not compete but names were listed or partially competed) is 1,935.

Not sure what the 2,900+ USAGA figure includes but it seems hard to believe that there is another 1,000 Level 10 gymnasts unaccounted for,

I did the same thing and got 2009 total for 2019 state meet competitors

 

[FlippinLilysMom]

These statistics were posted in 2009.

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I pulled up all the Level 10 state meets in 2019 and plugged it into an excel program to count all the rows. I did a random check on accuracy and the total number of L10 gymnasts that competed and/or registered (inclusive of those who did not compete but names were listed or partially competed) is 1,935.

Not sure what the 2,900+ USAGA figure includes but it seems hard to believe that there is another 1,000 Level 10 gymnasts unaccounted for,

This chart was done before the levels changed too and was only based on numbers submitted by the gyms, USAG did not have a system of keeping track of gymnasts registered by level in 2009

 

[Muddlethru]

I did the same thing and got 2009 total for 2019 state meet competitors

I didn’t find the Alaska state meet results and Kansas, Maine, Rhode Island and Vermont did not have Level 10s. Maybe I missed a state or two.

 

[Muddlethru]

Oh no, I have Alaska. There are 3 Level 10s.

I counted my states and I have 51, including DC just because it was listed in mymeetscores. I know it is not a city nor a state. Did you use mymeetscores?

 

[FlippinLilysMom]

Oh no, I have Alaska. There are 3 Level 10s.

And California had 2 state meets

 

[Muddlethru]

And California had 2 state meets

Aah! That’s what I missed!

 

[wandrewsjr]

A few things that could cause state meet numbers to differ from USAG registered athlete numbers:

-did not compete at state meet and are petitioning to Regionals
-registered and paid for athlete membership as level 10's for the season but then retired from the sport
-registered and paid for athlete membership as level 10's for the season but dropped back to level 9 at some point before state meet
-resting injuries and not competing

 

[Freddy's Fred]

I did the same thing and got 2009 total for 2019 state meet competitors

What about level 10 athletes who don't qualify for state or get injured? Would that be some of the discrepancy?

 

[wolf_turn_on_uneven_bars]

So to try and net this out with respect to scholarships...

Somewhere more than 2,000 L10s, maybe as many as 2,900 but that includes the injured and recently retired, etc. Maybe a quarter graduate every year so 500 to 600 total to colleges including elites and out-of-country. Total Div1 scholarships around 180 every year (60x12/4 and I’m ignoring Div2/3 just because of unfamiliarity). So the overall odds of a scholarship at some school somewhere, ceteris paribus, maybe a third. Could be more, could be less.

While I don’t know how the scholarship process works, if a gymnast is in the top quartile graduating gymnasts that year chances should be pretty good. Top quintile even better. Top decile, very good.

 

[Aussie_coach]

It is interesting that the numbers in general gym are so low compared to the other gymsports. In Australia there are more gymnasts enrolled in GFA programs than all other gym sports combined. The general gym including recreational gymnasts, pre school gymnasts, team gym, free G, adult gymnastics, over 50’s gymnastics etc.

 

[RTT2]

Interesting data! I would love to know the rate of attrition between levels.

 

[GymParent]

Aah! That’s what I missed!

KS had 10 level 10s last season at stat

I didn’t find the Alaska state meet results and Kansas, Maine, Rhode Island and Vermont did not have Level 10s. Maybe I missed a state or two.

KS had 10 level 10s last season at state on MyMeetScores

 

[Muddlethru]

KS had 10 level 10s last season at stat

KS had 10 level 10s last season at state on MyMeetScores

I have KS with 10. I must have inadvertently listed it.

 

[Muddlethru]

So to try and net this out with respect to scholarships...

Somewhere more than 2,000 L10s, maybe as many as 2,900 but that includes the injured and recently retired, etc. Maybe a quarter graduate every year so 500 to 600 total to colleges including elites and out-of-country. Total Div1 scholarships around 180 every year (60x12/4 and I’m ignoring Div2/3 just because of unfamiliarity). So the overall odds of a scholarship at some school somewhere, ceteris paribus, maybe a third. Could be more, could be less.

While I don’t know how the scholarship process works, if a gymnast is in the top quartile graduating gymnasts that year chances should be pretty good. Top quintile even better. Top decile, very good.

To be more accurate, there are only 56 teams with scholarships. Ivies are D1 with exception because they don’t offer scholarships.

 

[gymgal]

To be more accurate, there are only 56 teams with scholarships. Ivies are D1 with exception because they don’t offer scholarships.

And to add to that, there are (or were) a few D1s that don't give out either full aid or the full 12.