WAG Squat On Bars

[Pineapple_Lump]

We call this a baby giant and the other a long hang pullover, although I've heard this be referred to as a long hang pullover too. The cast doesn't need to be as high.

I would actually refer to that one as a swing pullover because the gymnast bends her arms and fails to have a strong wrist shift prior to support on the bar

 

[gymdog]

Usually, when someone refers to a long hang pullover they mean like the video with the Voiceover where they jump to the bar and do a pullover, like a long hang kip, but a pullover instead of a kip. Usually the arms will bend and hips pike somewhat. A baby giant refers to casting, swinging down, and then up and around the bar, either coming to support on the thighs or shifting into a clear circle. The baby giant is harder than the long hang pullover. Arms should not bend and hips should not pike...it is not a pullover.

 

[flippinam]

Usually, when someone refers to a long hang pullover they mean like the video with the Voiceover where they jump to the bar and do a pullover, like a long hang kip, but a pullover instead of a kip. Usually the arms will bend and hips pike somewhat. A baby giant refers to casting, swinging down, and then up and around the bar, either coming to support on the thighs or shifting into a clear circle. The baby giant is harder than the long hang pullover. Arms should not bend and hips should not pike...it is not a pullover.

This is what should make sense, but the USAG compulsory text refers to the skill in the level 5 bar routine (which by the above definition should be a baby giant) as a long hang pullover.

 

[gymdog]

This is what should make sense, but the USAG compulsory text refers to the skill in the level 5 bar routine (which by the above definition should be a baby giant) as a long hang pullover.

These terms are somewhat interchangeable and I can see why USAG goes with the more traditional term. I just meant to provide a background for the colloquial use of the terms - I think that generally people use them to describe different skills. No matter what you call them, there are two ways to do a long hang pullover. The jump from low bar into it (sometimes called a "circle up" also) used to be a more common progression when the the bars were closer, for lower level gymnasts. I believe it's still used in AAU 3 as an option. It is not as common nowadays for kids to train or do this skill though. The cast into long hang pullover (usually called a baby giant) is harder in a couple ways.

 

[xxStumpyxx]

Ok, this is what my DD was doing (high bar part):


Isn't a baby giant different? Sorry for the tangent, OP! And yes, congrats on the squat on.

I am glad this post is evolving beyond the squat one, I am getting to learn a bit more that way. Both of the videos look like the way I picture Baby Giants, the way I picture long hang pullovers is a dead hang in the high bar and then do a chin up pullover

 

[Learning Parent GB]

To add to the confusion, we do the 'thing' that A&A's Mom posted - and call it a 'baby grand'. It's common at our county level 5 (UK) competitions before people get their upstart/kip.

 

[Paint A Melody]

Ideally the one I posted should have no pike and should have straight arms. I've never heard of connecting it to free hip though. That sounds cool.

 

[COz]

So free hip circle = baby giant?

 

[berrisweetness]

Congratulations!!!

 

[COz]

Congratulations!!!

I can't tell if that was at me or the OP!

 

[berrisweetness]

LOL that was for OP!

 

[berrisweetness]

Making squat on

 

[Learning Parent GB]

So free hip circle = baby giant?

I don't think so.

 

[skschlag]

We call this a baby giant and the other a long hang pullover, although I've heard this be referred to as a long hang pullover too. The cast doesn't need to be as high.

That is what teh boys called a baby giant or 3/4 giant at our gym.

 

[Committed]

Perhaps it matters where you start?
Jump to high bar, swing = pullover
High bar, cast, swing= baby giant.

 

[gymdog]

Ideally the one I posted should have no pike and should have straight arms. I've never heard of connecting it to free hip though. That sounds cool.

Not connecting. Coming around clear of the bar. It would be halfway between the giant and the pullover. Circling at horizontal or so.

 

[wordsmith]

OT:

For myself personally, and not recognized universally, I like to make the distinctions in this manner:

Long hang pullover- a swinging, straight arm pullover where the shoulders break angle into a candle-lever with the shoulders either below or at horizontal by the time the thighs touch the bar.

Baby giant- Has enough rise to where the thighs make contact on top or behind the bar, swinging through a hollow push-up position

3/4 baby giant (which I like to call "teenage giants")- Same as above, but swings to anywhere from a 3/4 handstand to above horizontal before braking back into the bar.

 

[LJL07]

This whole thread is making me LOL. @wordsmith explains the way I think dunno explained it. My daughter starts in front support on high bar (I guess that's what it's called), casts like she would do a back hip circle, drops down, and swings around and ends up back in front support--a long hang pullover! And yes, I could easily see where that could be an AAU level 3 skill.

 

[xxStumpyxx]

My daughter had training tonight and they were on the wooden bars after not doing them during the last training session, I fully expected my daughter not to get her squat on tonight as she only got it for the first time last week, I was wrong my daughter go her squat on again a few times and even jumped to the high bar with a spot from her coach a few times, she tried over the pit to do a squat on and catch the high bar, first time she did a squat on then sort of went down instead of jumping to the high bar, the second time she actually jumped and just missed the bar, I was so proud of her for trying. My daughter also got her first hanging chin up circle over on the pit bar and did a back handspring down a cheese wedge with a light spot a few times. Training 3 days a week is helping her gain strength and gain new skills a little faster. I couldn't be happier with my daughters new group and let her new coaches know as I thought they might appreciate hearing that after some parents have been quite negative over these changes, I will admit I was a bit sceptical over the changes at the beginning but soon changed my mind after giving the new group a chance.