I don't consider rewards to be the same as bribery. Bribery occurs before the action. A reward occurs after. Bribes attempt to influence behavior whereas rewards reflect what has already happened.
I might reward my daughter but it is always as a surprise so that she doesn't come to expect it.
Bella's Mom, I agree to an extent...as it was pointed out before though, if you routinely reward, doesn't that become a bribe? Because if they know they will get something (a pin) if they get a certain score (a 9), then doesn't it influence the behavior?
Your point is well taken, though... If it is always a surprise then I agree it is not a bribe. Besides, I've already admitted that I do it sometimes myself. But I think there is a different intent at play here. If you're rewarding (or bribing) to motivate or encourage, isn't that totally different than bribing your dd or ds to get them to do gym in the first place? In that case, I would agree that it's I'll advised. They definitely have to want it intrinsically--an iPad won't give desire where there is none...but it might ignite a fire that is there but not thriving...I don't know. I can see it both ways. My dd sure worked hard for that leo, but I have a pretty good feeling that she would have anyway...it just gave her something to strive for.
I love civil debate! And to be honest, I'm really not adamant either way...in fact...
OK WatchThisMom, since you've invited comments...
I totally agree with you that what parents do with their own children (short of abuse and the like) is their business. Live and let live. So long as it doesn't impact me and my kid, not my concern. However, it is my personal opinion that participation medals at meets are not patronizing. First of all, they are given out to mostly little kids. Where I live at least, they are given out to all L4s at meets. By L5 not every meet recognizes every participant. And maybe that's OK. But again, just my opinion, at L4 when most of the kids are young and just really getting into the competitive aspect of the sport, it is nice to not be excluded because they weren't "good enough" on that particular day. And medals are a recognition of all of the hard work they put in not only at that meet but also just to get there. Obviously every kid out on the floor has spent countless hours in the gym working routines. I've seen videos posted here on CB that were not top scorers but were tributes to beautiful gymnastics (in my eyes). To say that giving them tangible recognition of that is patronizing them just doesn't sit well with me. And your rationale that it is better to work towards and earn that medal is just not possible for every child. Some very well may perform at their potential each and every meet and still not place. Certainly doesn't mean that they are not putting in the effort. In fact, those kids may not have as much natural talent and may in fact be putting in even more effort. And obviously the kids (and parents) can figure out who placed and who was recognized for participation. It doesn't take away from the kids who had their time on the podium.
Certainly not looking to further a debate. Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion. For me, I am just not a competitive person by nature. Although I've been to more meets than I can count, I'm still in awe of each child every time- from the gymnast who places first through the one who places last. All of them get a medal in my eyes for getting out there.
GymnastJoy, I told you I was wishy-washy! When you present it like that, I find it difficult to disagree about the participation trophies. I hope you recognize that for a compliment because I'm sincere. Sometimes people who disagree have a hard time expressing it civilly, and you're right...I asked for comments! However, here is the reasoning behind my opinion.
I don't begrudge kids who have worked so many hours their time in the spotlight. I really don't--especially the tinies who aren't old enough to really understand. And I totally get that some kids may never make it to that podium and so may never get s medal if not for the participation medal (mine hasn't competed yet, so she may be one of them!) However, and this goes for baseball, softball, soccer, etc, where do you draw the line? It's a difficult and touchy subject I've found--I even argue with my own conscience sometimes. But at some point in life kids do have to come to terms with the fact that eventually there is a hierarchy and figure out where they fit into it. I do NOT mean quit gym because you don't win...absolutely not. But if they want to be on the podium (so to speak) and it isn't happening in gymnastics, maybe there is an opportunity elsewhere to excel and make it to that podium if that is what they want. Gym can continue to be a passion even if the winning piece doesn't work out. It's not always about the destination...it's the journey.
So here is where i might offend, and i really don't mean to, but I won't lie, I am, by nature, a competitive person as are all 3 of my kids and my dh. I am not a "win at all costs" or a "if you're not first, you're last" person. But I do think it serves kids well to learn relatively early (how early is debatable, I agree) that the world does not reward everyone who comes to the game. There does come a day where you won't make the team, you won't get into the college, you won't get the job if you're not what's considered "the best.". My older son got cut during basketball tryouts in 7th grade...it was heart breaking. But he didn't give up, he tried out in 8th and guess what? He got cut again! But he tried out for QB in 7th grade and got put at wide receiver instead and was bummed out, then in 8th he tried out at QB again and made the A team. Kids are more resilient than we think, but if we never let them experience disappointment, they never learn that they can handle it. And they can. I know I did. we never got participation trophies when I was a kid and I think I turned out okay (you may think THAT is debatable!).
Sorry I've highjacked the thread...this is just something that I struggle with because I CAN see both sides, and when age appropriate, the participation medals do not bother me, but as the sport progresses, I just think they do more harm than good.
I hope I have not made enemies...I learn so much from others' points of view here.