WAG Level 10 scoring poorly on beam

[DP gymnast mom]

My dd is a first year level 10. She is scoring poorly on beam although she has a very competitive routine. For example she had one fall in her last routine and scored a 7.6. This was not the case last year in level 9. Has anyone had this experience in level 10? She is very upset about it. Thanks.

 

[NGAgym]

Not a level 10 but one of my teammates is, she was experiencing something very similar to this. We really thought about it and realized she didn’t have all of bonus(she was starting at a 9.4 SV). So make sure she has all of her bonus and if she does, then they must just be judging a little harder than normal.

 

[DP gymnast mom]

She has the bonus i believe - that's why we don't understand the issue necessarily...boggles the mind...she has a bhs back tuck series, front aerial, side ariel, front tuck mount, 1.5 dismount

 

[Gymgirl84]

Maybe the mistakes took some of the bonus/difficulty away and so lowered her SV?
If that cannot be the issue, then maybe form/pauses/artistry. Usually judging gets tighter as the levels go up because you go head to head with higher level gymnasts. So if your technique or form lacks a bit it will show more.

 

[Coach Kate]

Has she asked her coaches? I always welcomed this kind of question as a coach. I had a silver who had bent legs and flexed feet in her lap pass wondering why she wasn't scoring well on floor. I pointed out that she had a fall's worth of form deductions in her leap pass alone. Once she realized that, she put more effort into making her corrections at practice. Sometimes kids just genuinely don't understand.

Tell her to say something like "I feel like beam is a strong event for me, so I'm confused about why I'm not scoring higher. What are my biggest deductions?" In the case of the fall, ask "I know a fall is 0.5, but did it also cause me to lose some bonus or start value?" If her coaches don't know why she's scoring this way, that would be concerning to me.

I was part of a gym where the coaches actively sought to understand these things and regularly went to state Congress and sought feedback from the state judging chair so that we could learn what the judges are looking for.

And yes, the more skills you do, the more opportunities for deductions. Have you looked at the execution scores on beam for the elites? Rarely an 8 to be found.

 

[JBS]

She has the bonus i believe - that's why we don't understand the issue necessarily...boggles the mind...she has a bhs back tuck series, front aerial, side ariel, front tuck mount, 1.5 dismount

What is her full routine?

 

[gymcoach34]

This is impossible to answer without video or at least knowing all the skills. I agree with having her talk with her coaches. She has to be missing something or isn't getting credit. If she gets credit for the skills that you listed-its only .4 in bonus at L10 and it sounds like she is missing a dance SR (based on the list you provided). There are more composition/up to the Level deductions in L10 as well.

 

[GymnastMomX2]

One other thing to keep in mind is if she falls on something that would have added bonus she loses not only the fall but also the bonus. So falls are often more than .5 in level 10 because of that. There are also composition deductions, but without knowing her full routine or seeing video it’s hard to say.

 

[DP gymnast mom]

Thanks for the feedback. I don't have a video but here is the routine: front tuck mount, front split, wolf, side split, front aerial, full turn, back handspring back tuck, dance, side aerial, dance, round off 1.5 full. Her arms get a bit flimsy sometimes, but her knees aren't bent from what I can see. Maybe she flexes more then she should be she fell on the front aerial

 

[Mthegymqueen]

front split, wolf, side split,

Are you refering to split jump, wolf jump, straddle jump? For no dance compoistion deductions, you need 3 "C" dance elements (I believe you are missing 0.2 in deductions off of this).

Could be wrong, but I don't believe bhs to back tuck gets bonus, so you are also missing 0.1 in bonus.

 

[bookworm]

She has the bonus i believe - that's why we don't understand the issue necessarily...boggles the mind...she has a bhs back tuck series, front aerial, side ariel, front tuck mount, 1.5 dismount

If she doesn't absolutely connect her series , which I assume is the BHS back tuck, she looses the connection value and she doesn't have a requirement (the series) so her start value will be lower. And does she fall every meet? and on the same thing?

And depending how solidly she mounts the beam, she could be losing points right from the get go with a wobbly mount.

 

[raenndrops]

Thanks for the feedback. I don't have a video but here is the routine: front tuck mount, front split, wolf, side split, front aerial, full turn, back handspring back tuck, dance, side aerial, dance, round off 1.5 full. Her arms get a bit flimsy sometimes, but her knees aren't bent from what I can see. Maybe she flexes more then she should be she fell on the front aerial

Unless values have changed since my list:
ACRO
1a. 2-ele. Acro Flight Series w/ a C-salto (BHS-BT)
2. “D/E” Acro Flight (front aerial)
3. Min. of additional “C” salto* or additional D/E Acro Flight (side aerial)

So, normally, she would NOT have an UTL deduction. If her feet landed BEFORE the fall on her front aerial, then she should get credit for the skill and not affect the Acro UTL deduction. If they did NOT give her credit for it, then she would have a 0.05 UTL deduction.

DANCE
Minimum of 3 “C’s” for no UTL deductions.
Split jump - B
Wolf Jump - A (pretty sure based on wolf 1/2 = B and wolf 1/1 = C)
Side Split - C
That is a 0.15 UTL deduction

DISMOUNT
Minimum “B” Acro Flight or “C” Dance (Roundoff - B)
directly connected to “C” Dismount (C)

Bonuses:
Difficulty Bonus for each D/E skill
Front tuck mount - D (0.1)
Front Aerial - D (0.1) (Probably lost this with the fall)
Side Aerial - D (0.1)

Connection Bonus
BHS-BT (0.1)

I don't see any other connection bonus, but I might be wrong.

This is a 9.9 SV with all SR and Bonuses minus 0.15 dance UTL deduction, so her highest score with it all PERFECT would be 9.75

If she loses everything related to the front aerial, then her SV would be 9.8 minus 0.15 dance and 0.05 acro UTL deduction. The fall itself would be another 0.5, so if everything else is PERFECT, she would have a max score of 9.1.

She got a 7.6, so they found 1.5 total in other deductions: wobbles, pauses, split angles, broken connections (could possibly affect SV and bonus too, so this could be a big one), toes, feet, knees, artistry, etc.


Please, someone correct me if I made any mistakes in this (it's late at night and my ADHD meds have worn off).