WAG Mobility scores..who checks them

[littlegirlsdream]

I am curious. Once a gym skips a kid a level does anyone ever check to see if they actually achieved the mobility score? Also, is the mobility score to move from 8 to 9 still a 34?

 

[Aussie_coach]

Honor system!

 

[littlegirlsdream]

Honor system!

I have recently witnessed some coaches that may not know the correct score needed to test out of some levels. I don’t think they are doing it maliciously I just think maybe they aren’t aware of the scores needed. Unless the score needed to move from 8 to 9 is not a 34…then I am just wrong

Honor system

 

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Honor system!

Yup.

In T&T, there's a mobility form you have to fill out and it actually does get checked. But in WAG, I don't think there's any means of checking or enforcing it. (And in MAG, there is no mobility score; I go back and forth on whether or not I think there should be)

 

[JBS]

I am curious. Once a gym skips a kid a level does anyone ever check to see if they actually achieved the mobility score?

No.

 

[Flicfliclay]

I can say that i have seen gyms cheat the system. One girl ( not at my daughters gym ) somehow achieved her mobility score with a broken elbow? LOL...

 

[Deleted member 18037]

I really doesn’t matter. If the kid is ready to move up, with ot without a number it won’t matter. They will do fine.

And if they aren’t ready their scores will reflect that s well.

And it really doesn’t matte. Your kids journey is the only one you should be concerned with.

My kid missed qualifying for states by .05. They wouldn’t let her go to states. It all worked out she wasn’t ready

 

[MuggleMom]

Also whats the difference between lying about a mobility score and the kid achieving the mobility score in a very generously scored in house meet (which honestly I think a lot of gyms do). As @Deleted member 18037 said in the long run it doesnt matter too much they either have the skills and do fine at the next level or they dont have the skills and do bad at the next level and repeat or get frustrated and quit. Hopefully the gym has the gymnasts best interests at heart and prepares them for the level they are going to compete at no matter the mobility score. And if you don't trust a gym to have your kids best interests at heart you shouldn't be at that gym. And if there is a "shady" gym down the street that is doing that there is probably a reason you arent at that gym right?

 

[JBS]

Also whats the difference between lying about a mobility score and the kid achieving the mobility score in a very generously scored in house meet (which honestly I think a lot of gyms do).

One very clear and simple thing... one of them is legal per the rules.

 

[Flicfliclay]

I also know of a gym that scores out all of their level 9's and move them to level 10.. I have seen some of those routines and I am always so confused as to why they do that? They are super basic level 9 routines. Anyone know why a gym would do that?

 

[JBS]

I also know of a gym that scores out all of their level 9's and move them to level 10.. I have seen some of those routines and I am always so confused as to why they do that? They are super basic level 9 routines. Anyone know why a gym would do that?

The two main reasons I can think of are...

1. To have a larger L10 team
2. Then they are all training in the same "unrestricted" style... in other words... you can compete whatever skill you can get. Many kids have L10 ability on one event years before they have it on all four events. It's a more old school concept that used to be pretty common.

 

[Deleted member 18037]

I also know of a gym that scores out all of their level 9's and move them to level 10.. I have seen some of those routines and I am always so confused as to why they do that? They are super basic level 9 routines. Anyone know why a gym would do that?

So they will then score poorly at level 10.

 

[raenndrops]

So they will then score poorly at level 10.

Or so they will score well on the ONE event that is L10 ready ... then they can scratch the other events (and be an event specialist) ... at least until they have at least 1 other event L10 ready (or close to it).
Looking at Mymeetscores, I have always noticed that a lot of L10s scratch at least 1 event for many meets, especially in their first season in L10.

 

[MuggleMom]

One very clear and simple thing... one of them is legal per the rules.

I was being a little flippant on purpose. I agree and I would not be comfortable with my gym straight breaking the rules but in the end the gymnast has the ability to be successful or not.

I think sometimes people get caught up in the mobility score issue when they see kids "skipping levels" and maybe there kid isnt and you get that feeling of "falling behind" In reality to me it doesn't matter because outside the super talented kids that have a shot at elite most kids end up in the same place within a year of the kids that are "jumping ahead" at the lower levels.

 

[mom2newgymnast]

Or so they will score well on the ONE event that is L10 ready ... then they can scratch the other events (and be an event specialist) ... at least until they have at least 1 other event L10 ready (or close to it).
Looking at Mymeetscores, I have always noticed that a lot of L10s scratch at least 1 event for many meets, especially in their first season in L10.

I am sure there are some gyms like that. But I think injury is another common reason for scratching an event or two for a season in level 10. I know my daughter was ready to compete all 4 events for her first year level 10, but then she hurt her ankle again around early November. It had to heal and then she did PT until mid January and just didn't have time to get her floor back safely by the end of the season. She had a couple of other teammates that didn't compete all 4 and it was injury related for them too. But our gym, despite it's very large level 10 team, is not one to skip levels, especially level 9, unless there are exceptional reasons. Anyway, my point is that it really depends.

 

[JPC13]

I also know of a gym that scores out all of their level 9's and move them to level 10.. I have seen some of those routines and I am always so confused as to why they do that? They are super basic level 9 routines. Anyone know why a gym would do that?

So that the parents can say that their kid was a 7 year L10?

 

[3rd_time_around]

I don’t understand why everyone thinks there is no one checking scores. No, it’s not the honor system. Yes, they are checked. It has to be at a sanctioned meet....even a mock meet or mobility meet or just bringing a judge in requires a sanction for it to be official. Yes, people are checking. Every state has a designated person who is supposed to be checking scores. I used to work in the gym’s front office, and the state official often called to check scores or get scores. All scores are to be submitted to this person. Not getting the required score and then getting caught can void a sanction on a meet the gymnast enters.

they have a program that checks scores. I’m not sure if it’s in use yet, but all meet entries will go through this computer program and it will automatically check scores by USAG number. I heard about it at a clinic sometime in the past few years.

 

[JBS]

I don’t understand why everyone thinks there is no one checking scores. No, it’s not the honor system. Yes, they are checked. It has to be at a sanctioned meet....even a mock meet or mobility meet or just bringing a judge in requires a sanction for it to be official. Yes, people are checking. Every state has a designated person who is supposed to be checking scores. I used to work in the gym’s front office, and the state official often called to check scores or get scores. All scores are to be submitted to this person. Not getting the required score and then getting caught can void a sanction on a meet the gymnast enters.

they have a program that checks scores. I’m not sure if it’s in use yet, but all meet entries will go through this computer program and it will automatically check scores by USAG number. I heard about it at a clinic sometime in the past few years.

I'm going to state this again... they are NOT checked all the time. Should they be... yes.

As someone that has been on the state board for a couple of years I can tell you that they are not always checked. I can tell you that we had conversations about this exact issue during board meetings. Can you look through the meeting minutes and find this... nope... admitting there is a problem would mean that a board member is doing something wrong.

 

[raenndrops]

I am sure there are some gyms like that. But I think injury is another common reason for scratching an event or two for a season in level 10. I know my daughter was ready to compete all 4 events for her first year level 10, but then she hurt her ankle again around early November. It had to heal and then she did PT until mid January and just didn't have time to get her floor back safely by the end of the season. She had a couple of other teammates that didn't compete all 4 and it was injury related for them too. But our gym, despite it's very large level 10 team, is not one to skip levels, especially level 9, unless there are exceptional reasons. Anyway, my point is that it really depends.

Yep. I 100% understand the injury side of it all. I was responding to the comment about them scoring poorly at Level 10. I meant my reply to be about not competing events that weren't ready ... which would include having an injury that makes them not competition ready on those events that they don't compete due to the injury.
At higher levels, I prefer that a gymnast scratch an event than go out and compete a very watered down event (one that wouldn't be even close to being competitive) to accommodate the injury.

 

[ShawneyBee]

I don’t understand why everyone thinks there is no one checking scores. No, it’s not the honor system. Yes, they are checked. It has to be at a sanctioned meet....even a mock meet or mobility meet or just bringing a judge in requires a sanction for it to be official. Yes, people are checking. Every state has a designated person who is supposed to be checking scores. I used to work in the gym’s front office, and the state official often called to check scores or get scores. All scores are to be submitted to this person. Not getting the required score and then getting caught can void a sanction on a meet the gymnast enters.

they have a program that checks scores. I’m not sure if it’s in use yet, but all meet entries will go through this computer program and it will automatically check scores by USAG number. I heard about it at a clinic sometime in the past few years.

I am surprised to hear they are checked. It is good to hear that they are. Do they check the other end of the spectrum also? Kids who easily meet the requirements and are held back to help the gym, or themselves, win. There are gyms who hold kids back for a second season at a level because they may got a 36.5 at states but didn’t make the podium, only to come back a second season so they can score that 38.5 and put that win on their resume. That also seems unjust.