WAG the difference between level 10 and elite

[duyetanh]

I appreciate the explanation about the difference between routines...that is what I was looking for. The rest is very interesting though.

 

[Faith]

I don't get it though- countries that can't field a full team can send one, two, or however many athletes they can produce. You don't *have* to compete with five gymnasts, or whatever makes a team this week.

So it will make no difference to the strength of "lesser" gymnastic countries.

 

[thecurseofthechalkyhand]

I don't get it though- countries that can't field a full team can send one, two, or however many athletes they can produce. You don't *have* to compete with five gymnasts, or whatever makes a team this week.

So it will make no difference to the strength of "lesser" gymnastic countries.

Those "lesser" gymnastics countries may be able to include their one athlete who is good on one event. The last time teams were cut, the spots went to add more specialists. People keep saying they want to see "the best of the best" at the Olympics but then complain when the teams are cut. Well, the fifth and sixth best team member is certainly not the best of the best in the all around and might not be the best of the best on any particular event. Some of these gymnasts from countries that can't field a team really are the best of the best on at least one event.

The extra spots can also go to other disciplines. I believe that when the teams were cut from 7 to 6 for the 2000 games, those 24 spots went to trampoline. For the 2004 games, trampoline got an additional 8 spots but I can't remember where they came from. Did they come from the individual artistic spots?

I don't know what they plan to do with the 24 spots they will get from cutting teams to 4 members. I do wonder if they will eventually cut to three. I really hate three up three count. I really do. All it has done is pave the way for the teams to be cut and cut and cut. It's great for the other disciplines, I guess. They could probably use the 24 spots to add mixed pairs acrobatics. If they ever cut the fourth team member, maybe they will add singles aerobics.

 

[skschlag]

I don't see why the have to cut to add. just add. It is good for everyone to do so. I fear for the state of MAG in the US. By cutting Olympic spots, are we goign to see more colleges cut too. I guess I see no need to keep cutting athletes out of the Olympics.

In MAG< the 5th or 6th best athlete could very well be the best of the best on an event or 2.

 

[kecks]

you can not just add spots at the olympics just like that because every sport has a certain set space of athletes/time to compete. f.e. weightlifting even designes its weightclasses so they fit into their small olympic slot. so if you want to have many countries competing in a sport like gymnastics cutting back team size is the way to go. more countries to compete is always a good thing, because this is what makes the olympics so special: most important is to participate, not to win.

 

[skschlag]

I can see that, but things can change. Decreasing the number of participants hurts the sport as a whole. It was already prestigious and amazing to make the Olympics when there were 6 people per team. now 4? That makes it impossible. And for the men's side, puts a lot more pressure on all of them(physically). I guess I am just sad to see sucha wonderful sport being shoved back so much.

 

[gasrgoose]

Well, the fifth and sixth best team member is certainly not the best of the best in the all around and might not be the best of the best on any particular event. Some of these gymnasts from countries that can't field a team really are the best of the best on at least one event.

Can you give an example? Name and event?

 

[Granny Smith]

I was just going to add that elite is judged differently as well, more harsh. In JO, a fall is .5, but in elite it is a full tenth, I believe. So while a routine would score well in JO does not necessarily mean it would score well in elite. I do not know all the deductions, but they are much more harsh that JO deductions.

 

[profmom]

Can you give an example? Name and event?

Hong Un-Jong, vault


Epke Zonderland, high bar


Neither North Korea's women's team nor the Netherlands' men's team were in team finals. Not sure how many other athletes either country had competing at worlds, though I think the Netherlands had a team.

 

[gasrgoose]

Thanks!

 

[Deleted member D3987]

Can you give an example? Name and event?

they won't be able to cause it doesn't exist. Jessica Lopez is one of a kind. you won't find one of her in any of the other counties.

 

[Deleted member D3987]

Hong Un-Jong, vault


Epke Zonderland, high bar


Neither North Korea's women's team nor the Netherlands' men's team were in team finals. Not sure how many other athletes either country had competing at worlds, though I think the Netherlands had a team.

North Korea usually has a team. but they're always banned for some reason or another. Hong is NOT their only good gymnast. they have lots of them.

 

[thecurseofthechalkyhand]

they won't be able to cause it doesn't exist. Jessica Lopez is one of a kind. you won't find one of her in any of the other counties.

Why do you say it doesn't exist? You are mistaken.

Aljaz Pegan. Horizontal bar.

 

[Deleted member D3987]

Aljaz is a guy! we are talking about girls!! i could have said Epke.



and do you know why he is famous in Men's?

probably not...



i like your name...thecurseofthechalkyhand. kind of appropriate to the p-bar fail.

 

[Iwannabemargo]

I know off topic, but I do just Luuuurvvvveee Epke - I have told Pink she can marry him in 15 years time

 

[thecurseofthechalkyhand]

Aljaz is a guy! we are talking about girls!! i could have said Epke.


i like your name...thecurseofthechalkyhand. kind of appropriate to the p-bar fail.

We started talking about cutting the teams and where those spots go. That's guys and girls. Honestly, I think this whole emphasis on specialists is being driven by the guys side of the sport anyway. The women get saddled with the same rules for the sake of consistency.

Thank you. The curse went into effect right away. First victim? The letter D. Separated from the herd forever.

 

[Terry]

Bear in mind, my child is nowhere near either of these levels. But I read posts that talk about how girls stay at level 10 for 5 years...I am confused as to why they don't move on to elite and wondering what the differences are, as I know they must be big...I just don't get it. Do the gymnasts have to be in ited to do elite? I figure this is a good place to ask...

The vast majority of level 10s do not have the talent or ability to go elite. You don't just decide to move on to elite and do it. It takes enormous skill, ability, and dedication. And really total devotion to the sport. The elite girls usually home school, have little or no social life. And their families make enormous sacrifices too. Anyone who thinks their daughter has the ability needs to find a gym and a coach who has the ability as well. But the truth is we are talking about a very very very small minority of girls.

 

[Deleted member D3987]

We started talking about cutting the teams and where those spots go. That's guys and girls. Honestly, I think this whole emphasis on specialists is being driven by the guys side of the sport anyway. The women get saddled with the same rules for the sake of consistency.

Thank you. The curse went into effect right away. First victim? The letter D. Separated from the herd forever.

blame Bruno Grandi...

 

[Seeker]

blame Bruno Grandi...

Evil little man.

 

[curlygirls]

This post from dunno is my favorite post about the difference between level 10 and elite.
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