[Meet] Gym meet

[MaggieMena]

This thread is for the general discussion of the Gym meet. Please add to the discussion here.

#gymmeet

 

[raenndrops]

LSS has her first meet in less than 2 weeks. She will be competing Xecl Platinum.
She had moved up to Platinum originally halfway through the 2022-23 season. Last season, she was Platinum the entire season, but missed a couple meets due to different injuries.
Her injuries included: de Quervain's tenosynovitis in her right hand, sprained left ankle, chronic knee pain (she's also a competitive dancer and runs track), shin splints, compressed vertebrae in her lower back, and a pinched nerve in her right hip. She also has sports-induced asthma (mostly well-managed).
This is her senior year. The coach had petitioned our regional committee to move her back to Gold because she has lost skills and some strength. We just found out this past Thursday that her petition was denied.
She is freaking out. She is a competitor and gets upset over low scores (but would be more upset to scratch Bars and/or Beam). I told her we will just have to reframe what a "good score" is for these 2 events.
I am hoping her "Senior Leotard" will lessen the blow at least for the first meet.

 

[Mthegymqueen]

My first meet is on Saturday. This will be my first year of Platinum, so I am worried I won't score a 33 to get to nationals (I would not be as worried to get this score in the first meet or two, if I decided not to do HS gymnastics). I am happy though that all of my local meets this season (including local HS meets) are at my gym. It's also nice that this first meet is only my gym and one other gym competing, and that they do not have an xcel team, so I am only competing against my teammates.

 

[Coach Kate]

LSS has her first meet in less than 2 weeks. She will be competing Xecl Platinum.
She had moved up to Platinum originally halfway through the 2022-23 season. Last season, she was Platinum the entire season, but missed a couple meets due to different injuries.
Her injuries included: de Quervain's tenosynovitis in her right hand, sprained left ankle, chronic knee pain (she's also a competitive dancer and runs track), shin splints, compressed vertebrae in her lower back, and a pinched nerve in her right hip. She also has sports-induced asthma (mostly well-managed).
This is her senior year. The coach had petitioned our regional committee to move her back to Gold because she has lost skills and some strength. We just found out this past Thursday that her petition was denied.
She is freaking out. She is a competitor and gets upset over low scores (but would be more upset to scratch Bars and/or Beam). I told her we will just have to reframe what a "good score" is for these 2 events.
I am hoping her "Senior Leotard" will lessen the blow at least for the first meet.

Aw. All the best to your daughter. I hope she is able to enjoy herself. I love that you're talking about reframing what a good score is. I don't know what kinds of routines she'd be competing but if you/her coach can help figure out what the big built in deductions are, you could say, well your highest possible score was really going to be an 8.5 and you got a 7.9. That's only 0.6 in deductions, so that's amazing! Things like that.

 

[Coach Kate]

My first meet is on Saturday. This will be my first year of Platinum, so I am worried I won't score a 33 to get to nationals (I would not be as worried to get this score in the first meet or two, if I decided not to do HS gymnastics). I am happy though that all of my local meets this season (including local HS meets) are at my gym. It's also nice that this first meet is only my gym and one other gym competing, and that they do not have an xcel team, so I am only competing against my teammates.

You've got this! A 33 is an average of 8.25 on each event if that helps you to think in smaller steps.

 

[gymnasticsgymnast1]

My first meet is on Saturday. This will be my first year of Platinum, so I am worried I won't score a 33 to get to nationals (I would not be as worried to get this score in the first meet or two, if I decided not to do HS gymnastics). I am happy though that all of my local meets this season (including local HS meets) are at my gym. It's also nice that this first meet is only my gym and one other gym competing, and that they do not have an xcel team, so I am only competing against my teammates.

Wait there is a confirmed nationals for Xcel? can you please tell me more about it.

 

[raenndrops]

My first meet is on Saturday. This will be my first year of Platinum, so I am worried I won't score a 33 to get to nationals (I would not be as worried to get this score in the first meet or two, if I decided not to do HS gymnastics). I am happy though that all of my local meets this season (including local HS meets) are at my gym. It's also nice that this first meet is only my gym and one other gym competing, and that they do not have an xcel team, so I am only competing against my teammates.

LSS also wants the 33 to qualify for Nationals ... but with still coming back from injuries, she is really worried about it. She is a senior and wants to give me "my senior" since neither OG or YG competed their senior years.
Just believe in yourself and dont get into your head.
Last year, LSS was 0.2 away from qualifying at one meet because she got into her head. She only needed a 7.250 on beam to get her 33. In her previous meet, she had an 8.300 on beam. She tried too hard to be perfect, fell on her acro (no SV credit) ... and her full turn (got the SV) ... and her tuck jump 1/2 (got the SV). She ended up with a 7.050.

Good Luck. Hope to see you in Wisconsin this summer.

 

[raenndrops]

Aw. All the best to your daughter. I hope she is able to enjoy herself. I love that you're talking about reframing what a good score is. I don't know what kinds of routines she'd be competing but if you/her coach can help figure out what the big built in deductions are, you could say, well your highest possible score was really going to be an 8.5 and you got a 7.9. That's only 0.6 in deductions, so that's amazing! Things like that.

This is what I do and have always done.
With YG, her first year of Xcel Gold, she didn't do acro or a full turn on beam. That meant that she had a 9.0 SV. When she got an 8.1 on beam, I was super happy for her. She was only 10 years old (youngest Xcel on our team). I told her that 8.1 meant the judge only found 90¢ in deductions. It was the best she had ever done on beam. I reminded her that her previous best (old L4 - 2012-13 season) beam score was 8.0 with a 10.0 SV, so that time she lost $2.00 in deductions.
LSS is a senior, so it isn't as easy to get her to reframe things that way, but I still try.
We are also working on ways to minimize the built-in deductions. I honestly don't expect her to even attempt beam acro in a meet until at least January. We are trying to get her a roundoff so she doesn't have to worry about 2 skills AND connecting them.
On Bars, we are working on getting casts higher and possibly getting her squat on back or trying a straddle on. She also wants a clear hip and is slowly working on that.
On floor, she has everything, but can't put her front pike or back tuck to competition landing surface yet.
On vault, she has her 1/2 on - repulsion off. She is working on getting her 1/2-1/2 back.
She got her senior leo last night and LOVES it! I am hoping that will give her the boost in morale to accept lower scores for now.

 

[Mthegymqueen]

Wait there is a confirmed nationals for Xcel? can you please tell me more about it.

Its for YMCA gyms only

Link to website to learn more: https://www.gomotionapp.com/team/ymcagymnastics/page/home

AAU also has nationals for xcel (but only for AAU gyms)

 

[MaggieMena]

LSS has her first meet in less than 2 weeks. She will be competing Xecl Platinum.
She had moved up to Platinum originally halfway through the 2022-23 season. Last season, she was Platinum the entire season, but missed a couple meets due to different injuries.
Her injuries included: de Quervain's tenosynovitis in her right hand, sprained left ankle, chronic knee pain (she's also a competitive dancer and runs track), shin splints, compressed vertebrae in her lower back, and a pinched nerve in her right hip. She also has sports-induced asthma (mostly well-managed).
This is her senior year. The coach had petitioned our regional committee to move her back to Gold because she has lost skills and some strength. We just found out this past Thursday that her petition was denied.
She is freaking out. She is a competitor and gets upset over low scores (but would be more upset to scratch Bars and/or Beam). I told her we will just have to reframe what a "good score" is for these 2 events.
I am hoping her "Senior Leotard" will lessen the blow at least for the first meet.

I am a junior and have been doing gym before I could even walk.
My school does not have a gym team but, I do Cross, Track and Soccer at school

 

[NYGymfamily]

DD has her first meet in 30 something days. She will be competing Xcel Diamond for the first time. She's currently dealing with an wrist issue, so we're not sure if that will be an AA meet. Hoping that she's healthy enough to compete at all. Good luck to all this season!

 

[Mthegymqueen]

First meet complete, this was the stupidest meet I have been to

The only thing I thought I would have a lower SV on was vault (half on, 9.7), but I ending up having 3.2 off in just SV

Vault - 9.7 SV, 8.175
Bars - 8.2 SV, 7.2
Beam - 9.4 SV (I know I did not get credit for my beam connection, but I am not sure if my mount counts as an element), 8.05
Floor - 9.5 SV (I thought rbh as one pass and front pike as another counts for 10 SV, so would I need to do rbh tuck instead?), 8.7

For my bars score, what is the SV of this routine because there is no way that this is correct:

Kip, cast (my angle was 110), clear hip (apparently I did not get all the way around, but watching the video back, it’s very clear I did, I can try to put the video on here for someone else to double check that I did go around), kip, squat on, tap swing (only 1), half turn dismount

For a beam mount, does this count?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/inthegym/images/9/96/H1xfn.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150131193658

For a first platinum meet, I am trying to stay positive, I was only 0.875 off from qualifying, but it’s really frustrating that I think that the judges gave me the wrong bars sv.

 

[Coach Kate]

First meet complete, this was the stupidest meet I have been to

The only thing I thought I would have a lower SV on was vault (half on, 9.7), but I ending up having 3.2 off in just SV

Vault - 9.7 SV, 8.175
Bars - 8.2 SV, 7.2
Beam - 9.4 SV (I know I did not get credit for my beam connection, but I am not sure if my mount counts as an element), 8.05
Floor - 9.5 SV (I thought rbh as one pass and front pike as another counts for 10 SV, so would I need to do rbh tuck instead?), 8.7

For my bars score, what is the SV of this routine because there is no way that this is correct:

Kip, cast (my angle was 110), clear hip (apparently I did not get all the way around, but watching the video back, it’s very clear I did, I can try to put the video on here for someone else to double check that I did go around), kip, squat on, tap swing (only 1), half turn dismount

For a beam mount, does this count?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/inthegym/images/9/96/H1xfn.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150131193658

For a first platinum meet, I am trying to stay positive, I was only 0.875 off from qualifying, but it’s really frustrating that I think that the judges gave me the wrong bars sv.

If there were concerns about SV on bars, your coach should have submitted an inquiry to the head judge. It is not hard to do and can help clarify things for the future as well. Without seeing the routine as performed, it's hard to say.

The link for your beam mount isn't working for me.

In platinum, you are required to have a tumbling pass with at least one flight and one salto in order to meet requirements. We've even had girls do round off back tuck. Again, your coach should be making this clear and checking that you either meet requirements or are aware of the built in deductions you're thinking.

Overall, it sounds like you need to talk to your coach and perhaps your coach, if inexperienced, needs to seek out some assistance in making sure start values are being met. Sometimes judges are willing to come to a gym and do verification on these things and provide some feedback.

In the meantime, this can be a good resource: https://www.google.com/amp/s/gymnasticshq.com/xcel-platinum-requirements/amp/

 

[Mthegymqueen]

If there were concerns about SV on bars, your coach should have submitted an inquiry to the head judge. It is not hard to do and can help clarify things for the future as well. Without seeing the routine as performed, it's hard to say.

The link for your beam mount isn't working for me.

In platinum, you are required to have a tumbling pass with at least one flight and one salto in order to meet requirements. We've even had girls do round off back tuck. Again, your coach should be making this clear and checking that you either meet requirements or are aware of the built in deductions you're thinking.

Overall, it sounds like you need to talk to your coach and perhaps your coach, if inexperienced, needs to seek out some assistance in making sure start values are being met. Sometimes judges are willing to come to a gym and do verification on these things and provide some feedback.

In the meantime, this can be a good resource: https://www.google.com/amp/s/gymnasticshq.com/xcel-platinum-requirements/amp/

My coach did ask about my SV and said I was missing 2 "A" (I am pretty sure my routine has 6 "A"s though, and said my free hip did not get credit, so at most it would be 9 SV, im not sure what else would have been taken off (maybe my cast if they were really picky?)

Balance Beam Skills

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Go to the "A" mounts, its called jump with hand support, ¾ turn in support half split sit on one leg

 

[Kylie]

First meet complete, this was the stupidest meet I have been to

The only thing I thought I would have a lower SV on was vault (half on, 9.7), but I ending up having 3.2 off in just SV

Vault - 9.7 SV, 8.175
Bars - 8.2 SV, 7.2
Beam - 9.4 SV (I know I did not get credit for my beam connection, but I am not sure if my mount counts as an element), 8.05
Floor - 9.5 SV (I thought rbh as one pass and front pike as another counts for 10 SV, so would I need to do rbh tuck instead?), 8.7

For my bars score, what is the SV of this routine because there is no way that this is correct:

Kip, cast (my angle was 110), clear hip (apparently I did not get all the way around, but watching the video back, it’s very clear I did, I can try to put the video on here for someone else to double check that I did go around), kip, squat on, tap swing (only 1), half turn dismount

For a beam mount, does this count?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/inthegym/images/9/96/H1xfn.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150131193658

For a first platinum meet, I am trying to stay positive, I was only 0.875 off from qualifying, but it’s really frustrating that I think that the judges gave me the wrong bars sv.

I think I know the problem! The half turn dismount is not considered a dismount passed xcel gold. I think it’s a really weird rule but idk? You got at least 0.5 off in not having a dismount! The platinums at my gym that can’t flyaway just do undershoots or sole circle!

 

[Mthegymqueen]

I think I know the problem! The half turn dismount is not considered a dismount passed xcel gold. I think it’s a really weird rule but idk? You got at least 0.5 off in not having a dismount! The platinums at my gym that can’t flyaway just do undershoots or sole circle!

Ok, if I did this routine next competition, would this hypothetically get a 10.0 SV (as long as I meet angle requirements and my clear hip gets credited)

Kip, cast, clear hip, kip, cast, back hip circle, squat on, tap swing, flyaway

 

[Carly]

Kip, cast (my angle was 110), clear hip (apparently I did not get all the way around, but watching the video back, it’s very clear I did, I can try to put the video on here for someone else to double check that I did go around), kip, squat on, tap swing (only 1), half turn dismount

I could be wrong but the A skills that I see are kip, cast, kip, squat on and tap swing 1/2 turn dismount which is 5. If platinums can't do that dismount, that would add up to the 4 that the judges said.

 

[NYGymfamily]

Ok, if I did this routine next competition, would this hypothetically get a 10.0 SV (as long as I meet angle requirements and my clear hip gets credited)

Kip, cast, clear hip, kip, cast, back hip circle, squat on, tap swing, flyaway

You don't need the back hip circle but yes

 

[MaggieMena]

DD has her first meet in 30 something days. She will be competing Xcel Diamond for the first time. She's currently dealing with an wrist issue, so we're not sure if that will be an AA meet. Hoping that she's healthy enough to compete at all. Good luck to all this season!

Make sure that she does all of her strength training for that wrist!
Also look on Youtube how Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow went to the same thing.
He had wrist injury last season.
You can contact him if you want!

 

[Kylie]

Ok, if I did this routine next competition, would this hypothetically get a 10.0 SV (as long as I meet angle requirements and my clear hip gets credited)

Kip, cast, clear hip, kip, cast, back hip circle, squat on, tap swing, flyaway

That should work! That was my platinum routine last year and I started out of a 10