L10 Floor Scoring Question
How would this routine score? [A numerical estimate is kind of what I’m looking for and also if you want to give a little breakdown on where the huge composition deductions and the execution/artistry that are probably inherent because of how the routine is put together.]
Start-Pose
Run (into tumbling)
T1-Barani-Whip-BLO with 2 twists (down one diagonal)
T2-Punch FT-FLO-FLO Full (back up the same diagonal)
1½ Turn with 1 leg horizontal into…(keeping leg extended)
T3-Front Walkover-Front Aerial-Front Aerial (heading back to the corner)
L1-Switch Side Leap-Straddle Leap Full-Chasse Chasse-Tour jete to ring (across the floor width wise)
T4-RO-Whip-Stretched Double Back (up the other diagonal which has been ignored until now)
Pose-Finish
*For the sake of discussion:
-You can presume that the tumbling is without deduction [although I realize that our daughter is human and thus when she competes that will probably not be the case especially since there is much more tumbling than she needs and theoretically it can all incur a deduction]
-You can presume that this routine will somehow take her thirty seconds so no short routine penalty. I believe her coach timed it at thirty five seconds when she ran through it the last time with him.
-Presume that the routine fits with the music [because the music will fit the routine by the time my husband is done playing with it]. As an aside, I know this is not what is usually done but is it unethical to do it this way? [Her coach feels it isn’t ideal but it isn’t really much different than what some choreographers do when they ask for music to be reworked for them. If this is the consensus I’m ok with this, if the consensus is otherwise it’s probably another argument for why don’t we just have her scratch floor for awhile? I don‘t want to give her the idea that it‘s ok to cheat but I‘m ok with us adapting this to what she is able to do because that is sort of the point of optionals.]
-It is my impression that this routine meets all L10 requirements and has sufficient difficulty and connections for a 10.0 start value. Her head coach is usually good with this and he didn’t mention it was missing anything but if there is something missing then you can certainly point that out.
-I know this is not ideal [her coach is well aware of this too] and there really isn’t any choreography but this what she is able to do at this point. Anything outside of this leads to a lot of floundering and drowning.
-If you judge L10 and you happen to come across this routine please forget I posted this and try to give her the benefit of the doubt [I’m not asking for sympathy just as much benefit of the doubt as you would give any other gymnast who’s mom hadn’t spilled the secrets behind her routine on a message board]
For the record, I’m asking this not because we don’t trust her coach. However, I do worry he may be a little optimistic about how this will be received. Her coach has been great at adapting to her challenges and limitations and just focusing on the positive. I think within this context if her dad or I express that we are making the decision she is going to just not compete floor for awhile they would respect it [and perhaps even agree we were right] but they won’t deny her this opportunity outright if we don’t. Hence, we would like a little more information so we can try to make the right decision for her overall. At the end of the day, scores are not the important thing but I think if her floor score is really low then that may lead to enough negative attention to be upsetting for her. In this case it might also be hard for her to qualify for regionals even if she did very well on the other three events and it might be more fair to allow her to compete as an event specialist this year while continuing to train floor with plans to compete it again when she is ready. It won’t be the end of the world if she misses regionals her first year at L10 either but I sort of feel like since she missed her L9 state meet [and thus an opportunity for regionals and semi-nats] due to a conflicting prior family commitment perhaps we shouldn’t send her into another season knowing that she probably won’t get to do any of the really big meets at the end.
I also know that we still have three months until her first meet and then another five months until states and regionals probably. She could [and I hope she will] be in a very different place by then and perhaps she will be able to deal with a floor routine that looks more like what other girls are doing and I’m sure her coaches will happily go with that if it’s possible. At the moment she is training temporarily at a different gym which adds another layer to all of this as well [and also means that any attempts at actually choreographing a real floor routine won’t happen until she returns to her regular gym]. We’re hoping that will be some time in October but it may be later than that.
Thanks in advance!
How would this routine score? [A numerical estimate is kind of what I’m looking for and also if you want to give a little breakdown on where the huge composition deductions and the execution/artistry that are probably inherent because of how the routine is put together.]
Start-Pose
Run (into tumbling)
T1-Barani-Whip-BLO with 2 twists (down one diagonal)
T2-Punch FT-FLO-FLO Full (back up the same diagonal)
1½ Turn with 1 leg horizontal into…(keeping leg extended)
T3-Front Walkover-Front Aerial-Front Aerial (heading back to the corner)
L1-Switch Side Leap-Straddle Leap Full-Chasse Chasse-Tour jete to ring (across the floor width wise)
T4-RO-Whip-Stretched Double Back (up the other diagonal which has been ignored until now)
Pose-Finish
*For the sake of discussion:
-You can presume that the tumbling is without deduction [although I realize that our daughter is human and thus when she competes that will probably not be the case especially since there is much more tumbling than she needs and theoretically it can all incur a deduction]
-You can presume that this routine will somehow take her thirty seconds so no short routine penalty. I believe her coach timed it at thirty five seconds when she ran through it the last time with him.
-Presume that the routine fits with the music [because the music will fit the routine by the time my husband is done playing with it]. As an aside, I know this is not what is usually done but is it unethical to do it this way? [Her coach feels it isn’t ideal but it isn’t really much different than what some choreographers do when they ask for music to be reworked for them. If this is the consensus I’m ok with this, if the consensus is otherwise it’s probably another argument for why don’t we just have her scratch floor for awhile? I don‘t want to give her the idea that it‘s ok to cheat but I‘m ok with us adapting this to what she is able to do because that is sort of the point of optionals.]
-It is my impression that this routine meets all L10 requirements and has sufficient difficulty and connections for a 10.0 start value. Her head coach is usually good with this and he didn’t mention it was missing anything but if there is something missing then you can certainly point that out.
-I know this is not ideal [her coach is well aware of this too] and there really isn’t any choreography but this what she is able to do at this point. Anything outside of this leads to a lot of floundering and drowning.
-If you judge L10 and you happen to come across this routine please forget I posted this and try to give her the benefit of the doubt [I’m not asking for sympathy just as much benefit of the doubt as you would give any other gymnast who’s mom hadn’t spilled the secrets behind her routine on a message board]
For the record, I’m asking this not because we don’t trust her coach. However, I do worry he may be a little optimistic about how this will be received. Her coach has been great at adapting to her challenges and limitations and just focusing on the positive. I think within this context if her dad or I express that we are making the decision she is going to just not compete floor for awhile they would respect it [and perhaps even agree we were right] but they won’t deny her this opportunity outright if we don’t. Hence, we would like a little more information so we can try to make the right decision for her overall. At the end of the day, scores are not the important thing but I think if her floor score is really low then that may lead to enough negative attention to be upsetting for her. In this case it might also be hard for her to qualify for regionals even if she did very well on the other three events and it might be more fair to allow her to compete as an event specialist this year while continuing to train floor with plans to compete it again when she is ready. It won’t be the end of the world if she misses regionals her first year at L10 either but I sort of feel like since she missed her L9 state meet [and thus an opportunity for regionals and semi-nats] due to a conflicting prior family commitment perhaps we shouldn’t send her into another season knowing that she probably won’t get to do any of the really big meets at the end.
I also know that we still have three months until her first meet and then another five months until states and regionals probably. She could [and I hope she will] be in a very different place by then and perhaps she will be able to deal with a floor routine that looks more like what other girls are doing and I’m sure her coaches will happily go with that if it’s possible. At the moment she is training temporarily at a different gym which adds another layer to all of this as well [and also means that any attempts at actually choreographing a real floor routine won’t happen until she returns to her regular gym]. We’re hoping that will be some time in October but it may be later than that.
Thanks in advance!
