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Men's Artistic Gymnastics
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Are there male gymnasts who have achieved both academic and athletic excellence? If you have first or second hand accounts I would be eager to read the particular paths those men took.

As a parent, I am at a crossroads and must decide to what extent I support my son's ambitions. I am concerned that a training schedule of 15 hours per week beginning at the age of 10 will limit his ability to develop academic and diverse experience.
 
I don't have any first hand experience as my son is 9, but he does workout 10-13 hours a week now.

We do have a young man at our gym that is a level 10, works out 15+ hours a week. I am not sure how great his academics are, but he did get into the Naval Academy....that has to take some work!

Can't wait to hear more replies, as I am guessing there are a lot of success stories out there!
 
DS is 11yrs old, currently training 11 hours per week. He has always excelled at school, in the top 5% of his class and the training hours have not changed that one little bit. He does however have to be very organised when it comes to completing homework and assignments. We have always stressed that school work comes first, if he is behind or his homework is not on track then he will need to miss training... that has never happened yet. Gymnastics has taught he to be focused and plan his time well. I think it is certainly possible to do well at both.
 
I know that gym hours are a big commitment - especially when you factor in travel time as well, but when you add it up how many hours do other children spend glued to the telly/games console/haning round on street corners. I think our children are just using their vacant hours a little more productively. !
 
Elite gymnasts are almost always top students. I have a friend (female though) who was on the Australian team and competing all around the world training 36-40 hours a week while completing her final year of high school and she was dux of the school, which I believe is what you call valedictorian in the US.

The types of movements done in gymnastics create new neural pathways which improve concentration and learning ability and you can learn more with less effort. As your reaction time becomes faster in the gym so to does your mental reaction time. Basically you learn more in less time, get more from each class at school.

Being very busy seems to help as well when it comes to school work. Our top gymnasts are very busy they have limited times and schedules they are forced to be organized and get things done when they can. Those with people more time do not have these organization skills and often procrastinate leaving things to the last moment.
 
My son is on a small gymnastics team but all the boys seem to do well in school. We had one graduating senior last year - level 10 gymnast. He had better than a 4.0 average with mostly AP courses and was an Eagle Scout. He now attends the University of Michigan on an academic scholarship and has walked on to the gymnastics team.
I have 9 year old twins (boy and girl) both in gymnastics and working out about 20 hours per week. They both got straight A+ this semester. This is the first year they are getting letter grades.
Also, I was looking at some of the college recruiting videos that are on youtube and most of the gymnasts seem to have 4.0 or better GPAs.
 
Elite gymnasts are almost always top students. I have a friend (female though) who was on the Australian team and competing all around the world training 36-40 hours a week while completing her final year of high school and she was dux of the school, which I believe is what you call valedictorian in the US.

The types of movements done in gymnastics create new neural pathways which improve concentration and learning ability and you can learn more with less effort. As your reaction time becomes faster in the gym so to does your mental reaction time. Basically you learn more in less time, get more from each class at school.

Being very busy seems to help as well when it comes to school work. Our top gymnasts are very busy they have limited times and schedules they are forced to be organized and get things done when they can. Those with people more time do not have these organization skills and often procrastinate leaving things to the last moment.

bravoAussieCoach! this is precisely accurate!!:)
 
I've seen this written many times but I'm not so sure I agree. Ok, I don't know any elite gymnasts, but I know some level 10s and they are honestly all over the board with regard to their academics and school work. And face it, some schools are easier and some are harder. My kids are in a very difficult school and the kids who are in the top % of the graduation class, I don't believe ANY are athletes, there really would be no time for that.

It could be also that I take this slightly personal lol. My daughter is an 11 year old level 6 and will never be an elite, but she is a pretty good level 6, and has a passion for gymnastics that trumps just about anything. She will work super hard at gym, she will give up just about anything for gym. School? She is at best an average student. She is improving as the years go by with lots of help from us at home and her teachers to better organize and prioritize things. I think if she had the opportunity (starting gym earlier, and us with unlimited funds and desire to send her to a super gym) she would probably go quite far. I still think that regardless of what she ever did in gym, she'd still be an average student.
Elite gymnasts are almost always top students. I have a friend (female though) who was on the Australian team and competing all around the world training 36-40 hours a week while completing her final year of high school and she was dux of the school, which I believe is what you call valedictorian in the US.

The types of movements done in gymnastics create new neural pathways which improve concentration and learning ability and you can learn more with less effort. As your reaction time becomes faster in the gym so to does your mental reaction time. Basically you learn more in less time, get more from each class at school.

Being very busy seems to help as well when it comes to school work. Our top gymnasts are very busy they have limited times and schedules they are forced to be organized and get things done when they can. Those with people more time do not have these organization skills and often procrastinate leaving things to the last moment.
 
Anybody know any cites for this offhand?

it has been published in neuro-psych academic research papers and articles. when something like this comes up you wish you would have kept the document saved in a folder. if i come across it i will post it up.
 
It's funny this got posted today because I have a 9 year old son, level 6 who is in the gym 10 hours a week and just got an email from his teacher saying he has been lacking organizational skills. :eek:

I was very surprised over this since he is usually really structured because of gymnastics. He gets good grades but I'm wodering with our schedule between gymnanstics and other things if this is being affected.

Our priority is academics but I feel sometimes this is hard to achieve because of gymnastics. We are often doing homework in the car or late at night. I know this s just going to get harder as he advances through levels.
 
I hate to say it but gymnastics is not the issues when it comes to school.. Lets be honest, how many of the kids that had less gym use that extra time to study? If not forced to do so? Not many, if any.... Just because they are in their room does it mean they are studying? Or just cause they are doing their Homework does that mean they are learning and understanding the information.. NO!

Studying, grades, focus etc.. is based on SOOO many factors that it be grossly inaccurate to say that there is a specific correlation between time invested in gymnastics (or anything else, that is taken seriously) and academic performance.

I personally do believe that gymnastics and any other early specialization sport (a sport that from early one lots of time is need to be invested in for the purpose of this discussion, swimming being another), can teach kids how to time manage, focus and concentrate of specific tasks. Aside from that i cannot say, because!... learning like anything else works on (warning!! science talk coming up) dopamine reward system. Basically it works something like this (to my understanding), if i study extra 10hrs a week (instead of 10 hrs of gym) what do i see as the reward. and how effective was that studying (was it focused and deliberate? or just doing homework) .? Nothing, because your ability to receive a reward for time invested is not going to come until you have a test, which means you basically know that there is no much point in putting in a huge deal of time now, but rather wait till its closer (yes, procrastination is being developed with this). Of course no everyone will do this, this is speaking in generalizations. So not only are you actually not being productive with your time, but you are developing poor habbits
With gymnastics training you work at something, and you are rewarded immediately with a boost of adrenaline, praise, etc.. for good work. (this man explains it MUCH better, hopefully well enough to make the connection that i am trying to make Dopamine Jackpot! Sapolsky on the Science of Pleasure - YouTube)

Along with this comes others factors, subject matter (if you do not enjoy the subject you will not work at to any serious degree, i have never met anyone who hates doing or learning about something they have no interest in, but they work on it as hard as anything else), teaching tools, teachers (This is sooo key, if you have a crappy teacher who cannot make you see why you would want to learn this, or cause you to be passionate about the topics its a lost cause), home environment, school environment etc..

Basically what i am saying is, instead of being concerned with, to much gym will take time away from study, i would look at how to optimize the time being used in studying, and what is being studied, and help your child develop some way of rewarding themselves for good work. Example, finish homework (well), with time to spare to do some extra revision and study = computer time, playstation time, time with friends, whatever (but $$ is not a good idea, even though that is how the world works)

I guess in closing, do no worry about their gymnastics getting in the way..The best this is to hold kids to high standard, and provide ways for them to achieve this, but not by finding ways of how to cut corners.
Just my scrabbled thoughts on this.

Personally i have athletes (range from 7-17) who range in academic ability, from level 6- 10 they all training 16+hr a week, and those that train more, are usually the brighter academically even if not the better gymnasts. Academics is not just time? do no fool yourself in thinking that... Time will not make you brighter or help you learn... it only is a sign of potential to do so..
 
It's funny this got posted today because I have a 9 year old son, level 6 who is in the gym 10 hours a week and just got an email from his teacher saying he has been lacking organizational skills. :eek:

I was very surprised over this since he is usually really structured because of gymnastics. He gets good grades but I'm wodering with our schedule between gymnanstics and other things if this is being affected.

Our priority is academics but I feel sometimes this is hard to achieve because of gymnastics. We are often doing homework in the car or late at night. I know this s just going to get harder as he advances through levels.

A 9-year old boy lacking organizational skills seems like the norm to me. :)

My ds is in middle school and training 16 hours a week. He's doing great in school--all high "A"s. We went to parent/teacher conferences last week and one teacher told us he's "the perfect student." I think it takes discipline, but he does what he needs to to get all his homework done. Sometimes he's up late or sets his alarm early, sometimes he goes to the library during lunch to get his homework done, but he does it. I think he's learning to be highly efficient because he has to and it's a great lesson.
 
I don't think there is a correlation between sport/gymnastics and academics per se but here are my observations
1. Since starting gymnastics my marks have gone up
2. On my team there is a range of academic performance with some being severely dyslexic and others being super smart
3. Despite less time, I get more done

From this I don't think gymnastics makes anyone smarter but perhaps brings out our full potential.
We spend less time studying but we make it productive and we can do what some people do in 1 hour in 30mins etc
 

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