Women L8 beam question

[kayjaybe]

What is the penalty for not having a side element in your beam routine? Yesterday dd did double BHS, her turns & leaps, and then a front pike dismount off the end of the beam. She used to do a roundoff BHS or BLO dismount. Her score seemed low for the performance and then I realized she didn’t have a sideways element, so wondering how much that deducted.

 

[profmom]

No requirement for a side element; it's side OR front. But even there, the composition deduction is very small. It was likely other things contributing to the low score. A picky judge can often find many uses for the pencil on a BHS BHS series.

 

[Natasha]

At L8 there are various composition deductions. They need a forward OR sideways element in the routine or it is a .1 deduction. However, if there is a fwd dismount, then it is only a .05 deduction, so it is unlikely that the score variation is due to not having the roundoff.

 

[kayjaybe]

Great. Thanks for the info. Glad to hear that an easily fixable item didn’t cause a big score drop.

Yeah, her BHS-BHS isn’t pretty, but she was solid on it (no wobbles) and other skills so just thought the score was a bit low for the performance, but I’m not a judge, so I’m sure I missed a ton of stuff!

She’s been balking on the flight this year (after competing it and nailing it all last year) and having to scratch, so competing it is a HUGE win for her.

 

[gymgal]

Depending on what area she competed in, she may have gotten a not up to competition level as well since she didn't have a C acro. It is not a requirement but in areas where gymnasts are competing back tucks and the like, the judges will deduct.

 

[3rd_time_around]

Depending on what area she competed in, she may have gotten a not up to competition level as well since she didn't have a C acro. It is not a requirement but in areas where gymnasts are competing back tucks and the like, the judges will deduct.

No, they won't. Level 8 has 4 A's and 4 B's required. C's are not required, therefore, no deduction for not having one. There was a time not too long ago that Level 8s were not even allowed to do a back tuck or they would get deducted. (2010). There are compositional deductions, and there is a "not up to level" for acro, but they don't need a C. It's not as strict as the new 9 and 10 compositional deductions.

In regard to the question, "Missing Acro elements bwd & fwd or swd-- Each .10 If only is dismount .05)"

 

[gymgal]

Depending on what area she competed in, she may have gotten a not up to competition level as well since she didn't have a C acro. It is not a requirement but in areas where gymnasts are competing back tucks and the like, the judges will deduct.

No, they won't. Level 8 has 4 A's and 4 B's required. C's are not required, therefore, no deduction for not having one. There was a time not too long ago that Level 8s were not even allowed to do a back tuck or they would get deducted. (2010). There are compositional deductions, and there is a "not up to level" for acro, but they don't need a C. It's not as strict as the new 9 and 10 compositional deductions.

I specifically said it was not a requirement and also said 'depending on the area she competed', there *may* be a 'not up to competition level" deduction. Not sure how this is different than what you just posted.

 

[thefellowsmom]

So yes, no C is required. But they are definitely becoming more common. All our level 8s have back tucks on beam. And I believe the judges have the liberty to use the level at a given competition for reference so it is possible given a certain group of kids or area that a C would be expected.

So I still think that she could be getting an up to level deduction. I have included the examples given in the code for level 8 beam. Needs an additional single acro but doesn’t need to be a C. And her dismount would be considered too easy for level 8 I think.

Examples for application of deductions for Level 8:
For No deduction (if all are met): 1. Acro series with 2 “B” ight skills 2. Additional Acro element on beam 3. Acro connection to “A” dismount element OR an isolated “B”dismount
For Maximum deduction of 0.20 (if all apply): 1. Acro ight series with only one “B” (or less) or no acro ight series 2. No other acro elements 3. Isolated “A” dismount
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But saying that these are pretty small deductions. But comp deductions add up fast and can be a shocker to new level 8s. There are things like distribution of skills and choice of skills matching each other a a bunch of other stuff. Also execution at level 8 seems to really kick it up a notch. Judges are no longer tolerating those little things. It just gets more confusing and more punishing from here. Trust her coaches and enjoy the ride!

 

[wandrewsjr]

So yes, no C is required. But they are definitely becoming more common. All our level 8s have back tucks on beam. And I believe the judges have the liberty to use the level at a given competition for reference so it is possible given a certain group of kids or area that a C would be expected.

So I still think that she could be getting an up to level deduction. I have included the examples given in the code for level 8 beam. Needs an additional single acro but doesn’t need to be a C. And her dismount would be considered too easy for level 8 I think.

Examples for application of deductions for Level 8:
For No deduction (if all are met): 1. Acro series with 2 “B” ight skills 2. Additional Acro element on beam 3. Acro connection to “A” dismount element OR an isolated “B”dismount
For Maximum deduction of 0.20 (if all apply): 1. Acro ight series with only one “B” (or less) or no acro ight series 2. No other acro elements 3. Isolated “A” dismount
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But saying that these are pretty small deductions. But comp deductions add up fast and can be a shocker to new level 8s. There are things like distribution of skills and choice of skills matching each other a a bunch of other stuff. Also execution at level 8 seems to really kick it up a notch. Judges are no longer tolerating those little things. It just gets more confusing and more punishing from here. Trust her coaches and enjoy the ride!

Yes, C not necessarily required. I wouldn't take up to level deduction on a level 8 routine that had bhs/bhs series, fwo and RO into full dismount, for example(all B's but adds up to a balanced, difficult routine).

 

[wandrewsjr]

And in addition to the up to 0.2 for acro difficulty level, there is up to 0.2 for balance between acro and dance. So a routine of that has, say, 4 B and 1 C acro skills and only one B dance skill rest A's (or vice versa) will get this deduction.

 

[wandrewsjr]

What is the penalty for not having a side element in your beam routine? Yesterday dd did double BHS, her turns & leaps, and then a front pike dismount off the end of the beam. She used to do a roundoff BHS or BLO dismount. Her score seemed low for the performance and then I realized she didn’t have a sideways element, so wondering how much that deducted.

If her only acro skills are bhs/bhs and a single A dismount, she likely lost 0.15 for up to level. 0.2 is usually reserved for a routine with a single A dismount and a series of bwo/bhs or cw/ro.