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Yes... I forgot about it though... so thank you!If you haven't already come across it, Shift Movement Science has a lot of great info/discussion on the use of weight training in gymnastics.
Yes... you don't want them all to just bulk up... sounds like you have a great trainer.The recovery times are so important!
In the women's gymnastics world I totally agree. It's complete nonsense... it's much more important to do 1 for 1 than a million wrong. Now men's gymnastics wasn't like that for me and it still seems to move much slower.because in gymnastics world it's always been high reps and GO GO GO all the time!
We also stopped doing all of this... long ago. We saw zero change in performance and a great reduction in lower body injuries.But we have given up the traditional gymnastics leg strength training with thousands of jumps up to blocks, squat jumps and stuff.
Awesome information... a couple of questions for you...
- Do they do any "good mornings" or "reverse hyperextensions"?
- What is the name of the app you use?
Question for you: our gym doesWe also stopped doing all of this... long ago. We saw zero change in performance and a great reduction in lower body injuries.
Awesome information... a couple of questions for you...
- Do they do any "good mornings" or "reverse hyperextensions"?
- What is the name of the app you use?
Yes... you don't want them all to just bulk up... sounds like you have a great trainer.
In the women's gymnastics world I totally agree. It's complete nonsense... it's much more important to do 1 for 1 than a million wrong. Now men's gymnastics wasn't like that for me and it still seems to move much slower.
We also stopped doing all of this... long ago. We saw zero change in performance and a great reduction in lower body injuries.
@gymisforeveryone Also forgot to ask... what equipment do you have at the gym?
While this type of conditioning may have nothing to do with all the lower body injuries... it did at our gym. And I wouldn't say "easier"... I would say "less".Question for you: our gym does
1.5 hours of conditioning for a 3.5 hour practice - they do lots of pistol squats, plyo (so) jumps, jumps on one leg over mats, etc - I thought more conditioning is supposed to make them stronger for their skills and less susceptible to injuries but we have a LOT of lower body injuries for low levels especially - knees, ankles, pulled muscles. Is a program with “easier” conditioning potentially better?
Also they press down on each other’s knees to straighten the legs and stretch the arms back to stretch the shoulders - how safe is this??
We have had a trainer in for many years... several different ones over the years... we have learned much over that time. It does take a trainer or team of trainers that will learn and understand your team's specific training style... this means they will need to talk with the head coach and watch practice.I would love if our coaches were open to a PT or sports medicine doctor to observe conditioning and stretching. There are so many out due to injuries and while my DD is young, I’ve always wondered about the weights and conditioning program. My DD doesn’t do weights yet, but at this point in time I would not trust that she would hold them or lift them properly
The knee thing makes me cringe for the kids with knee problems (my kid just hyper extends her legs and she’s good). We tried out another gym and their conditioning was easier for the kids than ours, which could be just that it was less - ours is like...military Bootcamp. Every parent that moves gyms to ours is impressed by the amount of conditioning but I’m starting to wonder if it’s actually hurting more than it’s helping. (Doesn’t help that my kid pulled a thigh muscle in oversplits this week to add to the long list of kids currently wrapped or in braces - this is level 3, 4 so not intense skills)While this type of conditioning may have nothing to do with all the lower body injuries... it did at our gym. And I wouldn't say "easier"... I would say "less".
Stretching the knees and shoulders... we stretch the shoulders like that... we don't do the knees like that anymore... but we never had any issues with it when we did.
Yikes! What kind of injuries? And what kind of conditioning? How many reps and rounds?The knee thing makes me cringe for the kids with knee problems (my kid just hyper extends her legs and she’s good). We tried out another gym and their conditioning was easier for the kids than ours, which could be just that it was less - ours is like...military Bootcamp. Every parent that moves gyms to ours is impressed by the amount of conditioning but I’m starting to wonder if it’s actually hurting more than it’s helping. (Doesn’t help that my kid pulled a thigh muscle in oversplits this week to add to the long list of kids currently wrapped or in braces - this is level 3, 4 so not intense skills)
They do 30 min bar conditioning, 30 minutes of stretch mixed in with other conditioning and 30 minutes of ab or leg conditioning, depending on the day. Lots of knee pain, pulled muscles, ankle issues - just... a lot for kids under the age of 10 who aren’t doing hard skills yet. No idea of the amount of reps and roundsYikes! What kind of injuries? And what kind of conditioning? How many reps and rounds?
That is definitely more than our gym. Pre-Covid they would do maybe 45 min of a 4 hour work out at each practice. (level 3-4 they practiced 3-4 times a week) Now DD is level 7 and still only does 45 min of conditioning (sometimes its home conditioning on zoom and sometimes in gym conditioning varies based on the day). Saturdays they maybe do an hour of conditioning.1.5 hours of conditioning for a 3.5 hour practice
I am. We have, unfortunately, way bigger issues and will be moving in a few weeks - every gym we’ve looked at is a lot lighter on conditioning, like my kid didn’t even break a sweat, and at first we were like “I don’t know... conditioning is supposed to make them stronger so they get injured less” so we weren’t really sure if it was a good thing, but when I looked around none of their level 3s were wrapped and maybe one level 4 had a heal cup and that’s it. Our gym, not so much and the skills aren’t high level impact skills (we don’t upskill until after season so they’re not doing anything intense).I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on the numbers of reps, but from what you describe, I would raise my concerns to the coach (there is a possibility that they are aware of the issue and actively trying to fix this) and, if nothing changes, leave.
The injuries you describe look pretty serious and have the potential to cause long-term damage. There is no way a bunch of kids under 10 should need ankle and knee braces to do RO-BHS. It can happen of course, but it shouldn't be a pattern. I also find it worrisome that there are numerous pulled muscles. Sure, overstretching might happen to one overly enthusiastic kid, but it certainly shouldn't be a regular thing.
Honestly, from what you write, it seems rather obvious that you are aware that there is something wrong.
Lol it’s def not much fun - I’m always impressed that the kids want to come in and do conditioning for 1.5 hours a day. They do a strict 30 minutes per event and rotate through all 4 each day.That is definitely more than our gym. Pre-Covid they would do maybe 45 min of a 4 hour work out at each practice. (level 3-4 they practiced 3-4 times a week) Now DD is level 7 and still only does 45 min of conditioning (sometimes its home conditioning on zoom and sometimes in gym conditioning varies based on the day). Saturdays they maybe do an hour of conditioning.
Just seems to me like you wouldn't get much time on actual events if over half your practice is just warm up and conditioning. Doesnt sound like much fun for the kids either especially at a lower level.
.5 hours a day. They do a strict 30 minutes per event and rotate through all 4 each day.