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[cbifoja]

Front tuck beam mounts?

 

[Tootsmom]

Our Excel silver girls do them.

 

[MeetDirector]

If I am reading the CoP correctly, that would be a D skill. Looks like one "D" is allowed on Lvl 9 beam (other than dance), but counted as a "C". No restrictions at Lvl 10. Coaches can correct me if I am wrong. I don't think I ever saw that mount at lvl 9 at meets we went to.

Xcel Silver doing that? A "D" skill? Are we talking about the same skill - springboard front tuck land on the beam - right?

 

[SurpriseGymMom]

I would assume Xcel silver girls might be doing a front tuck DISmount. Otherwise those are quite some Xcel Silvers..!

 

[MILgymFAM]

Our Excel silver girls do them.

Do you mean a front tuck dismount maybe?

DD has a teammate who is L9 and one who is L10 doing them.

 

[Tootsmom]

Lol oops read that as dismount

 

[cbifoja]

Thanks for the replies. I noticed DD working them this afternoon when I picked her up and was wondering if they were changing her mount for this season. But it sounds like it is maybe for if she makes L10.

 

[fuzi]

A level 9 could do one (with no other D acro skills). More common for level 10.

 

[Natasha]

Dd trained FT mounts which really helped her with amplitude in her FT on beam. She never competed it as a mount but did compete the FT in 9 and 10 so it is good training for the skill regardless if it is used as a mount.

 

[raenndrops]

I would assume Xcel silver girls might be doing a front tuck DISmount. Otherwise those are quite some Xcel Silvers..!

They would be quite some Xcel Silvers… but it would KILL their scores, lol.

And I know an Xcel Gold that had a back tuck on beam (not competed for her club… only for her high school - where she was a beam specialist).

 

[gymdog]

10/never...but I guess it might be worth it for some. Not sure I see the point in 9 unless you have a rare talent for that particular skill (which hey, it happens). Side aerial might be a better use of time for acquisition. Once the gymnast has a side aerial, front tuck on the beam, series, dismount, etc then it might be useful. Front tucks on beam can be hard on the lower extremities though so it's not something to rush. You need a very strong and confident athlete and even then the training has to be done sensibly.

 

[cbifoja]

Side aerial might be a better use of time for acquisition. Once the gymnast has a side aerial, front tuck on the beam, series, dismount, etc then it might be useful.

LOL.... She can't even do a side aerial on the floor consistently. It is a skill she has never been able to figure out. She had her full before she could so a side aerial without putting her hands down. Her front tumbling pass is a front handspring front full front tuck, but she can't figure out a consistent side aerial. Drives me crazy.

 

[tomtnt]

Funny, my daughter also lacks the aptitude for aerial and is training front tuck mount for level 10 this year.

 

[ayyyrial]

Drills for the front tuck mount start very early because it is a difficult skill to get consistent. Lots of girls train them in the off-season and never, or much later, work up to doing it in a competition-ready format.

 

[gracyomalley]

totally depends on the kids strengths...DD had her FT on beam before she quit...for her it was easier than giants LOL!

 

[gasrgoose]

I agree with others, a front tuck mount is pretty rare. We have level 10 girls and an Elite that flip in every possible manner on beam and I've never seen anyone practice a front tuck mount. It was actually talked about it during the trials or P&G's because Mykayla Skinner does it. Of course she's kinda known for throwing extreme difficulty, sometimes with or sometimes without the execution score. IMO it's a risky way to start an already treacherous event.

 

[gymdog]

It used to be much more common, but Martha doesn't encourage for the potential to fall right off the bat (see: Alicia Sacramone at the Olympics). Also, in JO and elite, you have to mount off the landing mat which can be hard. NCAA you're allowed to put a flat board under the springboard. Still, although I don't follow NCAA super closely, I would imagine with more of the top teams a front tuck mount isn't used much, simply because they're counting 9.9s and 10s. There isn't a lot of room for risk.

I should point out that most people who struggle with side aerials have flexibility problems and care needs to taken there too because of the potential for hamstring injuries. Skill selection wise it might be best for a gymnast like this to focus on acquiring a two foot layout series (D) and then of course whatever leap/turn connection bonus she can get, and dismount with a roundoff, you'll take a small hit for dismount only front/side acro, then focus on acquiring a front tuck or front toss on the beam. Again have to build up leg strength and core strength a lot and be careful with landings.

 

[wandrewsjr]

It used to be much more common, but Martha doesn't encourage for the potential to fall right off the bat (see: Alicia Sacramone at the Olympics). Also, in JO and elite, you have to mount off the landing mat which can be hard. NCAA you're allowed to put a flat board under the springboard. Still, although I don't follow NCAA super closely, I would imagine with more of the top teams a front tuck mount isn't used much, simply because they're counting 9.9s and 10s. There isn't a lot of room for risk.

I should point out that most people who struggle with side aerials have flexibility problems and care needs to taken there too because of the potential for hamstring injuries. Skill selection wise it might be best for a gymnast like this to focus on acquiring a two foot layout series (D) and then of course whatever leap/turn connection bonus she can get, and dismount with a roundoff, you'll take a small hit for dismount only front/side acro, then focus on acquiring a front tuck or front toss on the beam. Again have to build up leg strength and core strength a lot and be careful with landings.

Just to clarify, the dismount being the only fwd/side acro deduction is if dismount of a single fwd skill like a front layout or front full is the only fwd/sideward skill in the routine. A round off into a dismount is a round off on the beam and fulfills the requirement.

 

[gymdog]

Just to clarify, the dismount being the only fwd/side acro deduction is if dismount of a single fwd skill like a front layout or front full is the only fwd/sideward skill in the routine. A round off into a dismount is a round off on the beam and fulfills the requirement.

Even better. I couldn't remember. Seems like for such a person time spent on the roundoff dismount would be more worthwhile. Now of course if all those things are consistent, then by all means front tucks. But I think for an athlete trying to get to NCAA you could end up spending a lot of time attempting to get a front tuck and end up with relatively little to show for it in the scheme of a consistent routine.